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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 108192" data-attributes="member: 2209">becoming visibleThe question here is when does invisibility break. Flat footed, as has been pointed out is a separate independent condition.The invisibility spell from the srd says &quot;The spell ends if the subject attacks any creature.&quot;It also says &quot;If the subject attacks directly, however, it immediately becomes visible along with all itsgear.&quot;So when you attack, the spell ends immediately.As KReynolds points out, this can be interpreted three ways:1 The spell ends immediately when you launch your attack but before it lands so you are visible when it strikes.2 The spell ends immediately after the first attack (not full attack action).3 The spell ends immediately after the character's&nbsp; first attack which can be a full attack action.Most people will discard #1 as stretching too far for reasonableness.#2 is the most common interpretation. Attack seems like it should be interpreted as a single blow, not a series of blows or even a whole combat(&quot;We attacked the caravan, then later we attacked the city&quot;). The spell does not refer to attack actions but to a direct attack.&nbsp; The word attack, used alone, is used throughout the combat section as meaning one blow.In a full attack action with multiple attacks by definition there are sequentially more than one attacks. The only situation where this gets at all iffy is when using two weapon fighting/Multiattack. Since there is a first attack followed by others in a full attack action #3 does not seem a proper interpretation of the rules.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 108192, member: 2209"] [b]becoming visible[/b] The question here is when does invisibility break. Flat footed, as has been pointed out is a separate independent condition. The invisibility spell from the srd says "The spell ends if the subject attacks any creature." It also says "If the subject attacks directly, however, it immediately becomes visible along with all its gear." So when you attack, the spell ends immediately. As KReynolds points out, this can be interpreted three ways: 1 The spell ends immediately when you launch your attack but before it lands so you are visible when it strikes. 2 The spell ends immediately after the first attack (not full attack action). 3 The spell ends immediately after the character's first attack which can be a full attack action. Most people will discard #1 as stretching too far for reasonableness. #2 is the most common interpretation. Attack seems like it should be interpreted as a single blow, not a series of blows or even a whole combat("We attacked the caravan, then later we attacked the city"). The spell does not refer to attack actions but to a direct attack. The word attack, used alone, is used throughout the combat section as meaning one blow. In a full attack action with multiple attacks by definition there are sequentially more than one attacks. The only situation where this gets at all iffy is when using two weapon fighting/Multiattack. Since there is a first attack followed by others in a full attack action #3 does not seem a proper interpretation of the rules. [/QUOTE]

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