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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MechaTarrasque" data-source="post: 7018100" data-attributes="member: 6801226">A number of demon lords have stats in Out of the Abyss.  I admit to being surprised (and disappointed) at not seeing any official archdevil stats yet, especially since Asmodeus got statted up in the playtest and Rise of Tiamat was a good excuse for at least one archdevil to get some stats..... Solars do have legendary actions, but it is a pretty rare edition where Solars couldn't eat the Pit Fiend's and Balor's lunch (and it 1e, that was just about at the same time).  I hope it doesn't come to this, but I think they might be going back to 1e-style celestials, where the Solars are basically the good equivalent to the demon lords and archdevils.  If so, then Solars are a little underpowered (some lair actions would help and I am still hoping for some "servant of X god" templates that could steroid them up).  On the other hand, I have a theory of personal power and alignment that basically goes evil types need to keep a lot of power on hand, because treachery is common, and chaotic types need on hand power because they don't believe in investing it in social structures.  By that theory, demon lords would be the most powerful nongod elites, and Solars would be the least powerful elites, so the Solar's power would actually be about right (bounded accuracy means 1 Solar + 20 Planetars > 1 demon lord + 6 Balors, and since the Planetars aren't going to stab the Solar in the back, he/she can afford to spend the juice to elevate a bunch of devas into Planetars, whereas the demon lord needs to keep that power for him/herself, thus having fewer strong minions).</blockquote>

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