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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 7031538" data-attributes="member: 6787650">Hmmm. Let's spot check this with a 16th level pure Rogue, no subclass. I'll give him Con 14 and Dex 20 (after all he's had five ASIs at that point) which means 115 HP and AC 17ish with +10 to hit for 9d6+5, mostly from Sneak Attack. After Cunning Action that means he's effectively AC 21 with +14 to hit for 9d6+5, which comes to CR 8. If I count Uncanny Dodge as adding 50% to his HP (could be more, could be less) that makes him CR 10 instead. Lower than others I have spot-checked. He's still without his feats and subclass abilities (could be Booming Blade, or Assassinate, or Lucky, or Skulker), but it's unlikely those would be enough to boost him to the 200 HP/70 damage/AC 26 range that it would take for him to count as CR 14. He's probably going to land somewhere around CR 10-11.A similarly-built Swashbuckler 5/Eldritch Knight 11 (archer) lands at CR 12, so it's not just Rogue-specific. Looks like my estimates were probably high, at least when applied to 16th level characters. I remember a 20th level GWM Barbarian clocking in at CR 19 but it's been a while since I did that math so you'd probably want to double-check it yourself.</blockquote>