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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 6153440" data-attributes="member: 6668292">Well, except there's another mechanical difference (in addition to what people have pointed out). Let's take two people: one elf, and one human. Each has straight 10s for stats, save their ability modifiers.Example 1: Human with 10 Dex / 10 Con, Elf with 12 Dex / 8 Con. They both need to make a relatively easy DC 10 Dex and Con check, and aren't rushed, in combat, etc. Both can take a 10, but only the human will succeed on both (getting a 10 on each), while the elf will fail the Con check (since he gets a 9).Example 2: Human with 8 Dex / 12 Con, Elf with 10 Dex / 10 Con. They both need to make a relatively easy DC 10 Dex and Con check, and aren't rushed, in combat, etc. Both can take a 10, but only the elf will succeed on both (getting a 10 on each), while the human will fail the Dex check (since he gets a 9).Which leads us to the rest of your post:If we did just give these dwarves a penalty to Dex, Con, Int, and Cha, then humans are even better than these dwarves as compared to their current "+1 to everything" (as is in the current packet). That is, the base dwarf with straight 10s can't take a 10 and succeed on any Dex, Con, Int, or Cha check, while the human can succeed at all of them. That's a huge difference when you compare that to the current packet (where both races can take a 10 and succeed on all of them).Because of the mechanics, the penalty is actually a penalty. The -1 or -2 penalty to an attribute check is actually a bigger penalty than it might look like at first glance.I agree. +2 / -2 works fine. I like a little more options than that. Generally, I have a "+2 to A. Optional: +2 to B or C, and -2 to X or Y" approach to races and attributes (though with some variation, depending on the race).But, it's good to keep in mind what those penalties actually are, and humans getting +1 to everything is better than "these dwarves get -1 to Dex, Con, Int, and Cha." At least, it's better for all non-human races, as it stands. As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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