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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 1668268" data-attributes="member: 707">I agree.&nbsp; Even though I love the paladin class and am currently playing one in my only ongoing game, Paladin spellcasting is very trivial.&nbsp; I really don't see why, on top of being limited to 4th-level spells, and on top of gaining access to those spell levels far after primary spellcasters, the designers decided to cut a paladin's (and ranger's) caster level in half.&nbsp; It makes many spells that come up more insulting than useful.&nbsp; Along with the examples Elder-Basilisk gives, my favorite insult is Greater Magic Weapon.&nbsp; A paladin needs to be 16th-level to gain a +2 bonus from it.&nbsp; 16th level.&nbsp; Oi.That said, a paladin can match the fighter under specific circumstances (mounted), and for a short time (while his smites last), otherwise the fighter outdamages him, which I don't have a problem with.&nbsp; If a paladin could always outdamage a fighter, there'd be no point to the fighter class since at 20th-level a paladin can also Lay On Hands for somewhere around 120 hit points, and (assuming access to the Vest of Resistance) have astronomical saves.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lord Pendragon, post: 1668268, member: 707"] I agree. Even though I love the paladin class and am currently playing one in my only ongoing game, Paladin spellcasting is very trivial. I really don't see why, on top of being limited to 4th-level spells, and on top of gaining access to those spell levels far after primary spellcasters, the designers decided to cut a paladin's (and ranger's) caster level in half. It makes many spells that come up more insulting than useful. Along with the examples Elder-Basilisk gives, my favorite insult is [i]Greater Magic Weapon[/i]. A paladin needs to be 16th-level to gain a +2 bonus from it. [i]16th level[/i]. Oi. That said, a paladin can match the fighter under specific circumstances (mounted), and for a short time (while his smites last), otherwise the fighter outdamages him, which I don't have a problem with. If a paladin could [i]always[/i] outdamage a fighter, there'd be no point to the fighter class since at 20th-level a paladin can also [i]Lay On Hands[/i] for somewhere around 120 hit points, and (assuming access to the [i]Vest of Resistance[/i]) have astronomical saves. [/QUOTE]

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