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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 3799560" data-attributes="member: 18">I'd certainly go by your definition, and whilst I'm pumped for 4E, I certainly see where you're coming from with your commentary/concerns. The difference between me and a lot of others, though, is that I feel this whole process started with 3E, and that 4E is really just a natural continuation of it.For me, it's hard to feel that the &quot;efficiency&quot;-type changes are any worse than the &quot;nerfs&quot; to dozens of spells in 3E, or the way so much as simplified and standardized, so I feel a bit odd when I hear some 3E maven shrieking about how 4E &quot;isn't D&amp;D&quot; (not that the poster I quote is doing that!), because of X, Y and Z changes. 3E already &quot;wasn't AD&amp;D&quot; for me. Hell, it wasn't even called AD&amp;D.So perhaps that why I don't mind that D&amp;D isn't D&amp;D anymore. For me, it already wasn't. The 4E changes look, to me, like changes that, in a way, should have been in 3E, and y'know, when I have the books in front of me, and run a game, I'll be able to tell if it's &quot;D&amp;D&quot; or &quot;AD&amp;D&quot; enough for me. I have a feeling it will be.WayneLigon - I think there IS a difference, I'm just not sure there SHOULD be a difference.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 3799560, member: 18"] I'd certainly go by your definition, and whilst I'm pumped for 4E, I certainly see where you're coming from with your commentary/concerns. The difference between me and a lot of others, though, is that I feel this whole process started with 3E, and that 4E is really just a natural continuation of it. For me, it's hard to feel that the "efficiency"-type changes are any worse than the "nerfs" to dozens of spells in 3E, or the way so much as simplified and standardized, so I feel a bit odd when I hear some 3E maven shrieking about how 4E "isn't D&D" (not that the poster I quote is doing that!), because of X, Y and Z changes. 3E already "wasn't AD&D" for me. Hell, it wasn't even called AD&D. So perhaps that why I don't mind that D&D isn't D&D anymore. For me, it already wasn't. The 4E changes look, to me, like changes that, in a way, should have been in 3E, and y'know, when I have the books in front of me, and run a game, I'll be able to tell if it's "D&D" or "AD&D" enough for me. I have a feeling it will be. [B]WayneLigon[/B] - I think there IS a difference, I'm just not sure there SHOULD be a difference. [/QUOTE]

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