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<blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 2174322" data-attributes="member: 29252">Definately depends on where the character is; an epic CL 25 cleric 20/Heriophant 5 loses very, very little ... some turning, and a little BAB.&nbsp; A CL 18 cleric 13/Heriophant 5 loses a lot of spells - can't cast anything over 7th, when a striaght Cleric 18 would be throwing around 9th level spells.Virtually any epic character can afford to lose caster levels when the drop doesn't drop the caster level below 20 - as no caster gets new spell slots past 20th, spontaneous casters don't get new spells past 20th, and prepared casters either have their full list already (Clerics and similar) or can get spells from found scrolls (Wizards and similar) (barring feats, of course).&nbsp; Sure... at epic, losing those 4 spells known from your spellbook to pick up a level of fighter and start in on Eldritch Knight is annoying.... (and a Sor 20/Ftr 1/EK X doesn't even lose that - just some of the caster level dependant effects) but it's hardly going to hurt.&nbsp; At mid-high levels (non-epic) that same reduction is going to drop you a full level of spells behind a &quot;pure&quot; caster (Note that Wiz 7/Loremaster X is &quot;pure&quot; as Loremaster has full Spell Progression).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jack Simth, post: 2174322, member: 29252"] Definately depends on where the character is; an epic CL 25 cleric 20/Heriophant 5 loses very, very little ... some turning, and a little BAB. A CL 18 cleric 13/Heriophant 5 loses a lot of spells - can't cast anything over 7th, when a striaght Cleric 18 would be throwing around 9th level spells. Virtually any epic character can afford to lose caster levels when the drop doesn't drop the caster level below 20 - as no caster gets new spell slots past 20th, spontaneous casters don't get new spells past 20th, and prepared casters either have their full list already (Clerics and similar) or can get spells from found scrolls (Wizards and similar) (barring feats, of course). Sure... at epic, losing those 4 spells known from your spellbook to pick up a level of fighter and start in on Eldritch Knight is annoying.... (and a Sor 20/Ftr 1/EK X doesn't even lose that - just some of the caster level dependant effects) but it's hardly going to hurt. At mid-high levels (non-epic) that same reduction is going to drop you a full level of spells behind a "pure" caster (Note that Wiz 7/Loremaster X is "pure" as Loremaster has full Spell Progression). [/QUOTE]

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