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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ARandomGod" data-source="post: 2176103" data-attributes="member: 17296">Yes. And I'll respond to the titular question too:"When is it okay to lose a caster level?"Obviously, when the benifits outweigh the 'price'.That it's completely not worth. However, as it also grants you access to the rest of the PrC, you can consider it a buy in price and look at the whole PrC to determine what you're getting. In that case you're getting a feat and *several* BAB... It's still only marginally worth going for the class. Generally you have to give up two caster levels, needing to take a level of fighter to qualify (I hear that there's a Prc in the Draconomicon, Dragonslayer, which will let you qualify for Eldritch Knight without loseing another caster levelReq: 5 BAB, Dodge, Iron Will, Tumble 2 Ranks.Good fort, will, full bab, caster level every other level starting at first, and of course, the martial weapons proficiency.)There you'd be wrong to. That's completely not worth it. SometimesA one level dip is much less 'costly' for the spellcaster than a two level dip is. Spellcasting levels go up exponentially in power, so one less level is less than half the power of two spellcasting levels... and you have to get something REALLY good for three, etcetera (Example, a properly done arcane trickster in 3.5 costs three, but it's worth it (once again, if done properly). I personally wouldn't dip into the barb as a sorc... not without a lot more payoff than a few measly hit points. If you want extra hit points, take 'False Life' as a second level spell known. You'll get more than you would from first level barb anyhow. You should be using your spells to get all those things, and it'll work better. What do you need speed for? You have DDoor. And if you really need the speed, cast a spell. Saves? OK, nothing really there to help. Take an appropriate familiar?</blockquote>

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