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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1516147" data-attributes="member: 5777">They are worth it sometimes, even for caster types on occasion. But the cost is very high, for pretty much everyone.Each level lost isnt a linear change, it is more of a quadratic.But in any event, generally it is worth it when you can be good at what you want to be good at.There are a few races that get some very intersting bonuses, and combining them with classes works out pretty well. Just work with the dm to find out what LA they will place on them. Many races with hd req's have LA as well, usually making you pay twice for the same abilities. Keeping in mind that having to pay in hd is also a cost, just not always as bad as a flat LA, would help to keep LA more in check.A race that has 3 racial hd (d4's), only a good will save, an extra ability of 'spinning a web once per day that can be used like a tanglefoot bag', and casts spells as a third level sorc, does not warrant an LA at all. No matter what various books have said <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />But mostly it still comes down to one thing, can you still be competitive with others of your effective level, can you be good at what you choose, and can you have fun. Sometimes one of those overrides the rest (such as, if you choose class X then you are somewhat better than anyone else chooseing class X of the same level, but also horrible at any other classes, so it doesnt warrant enough for an extra LA without extra abilities.. type of thing <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ), but for the most part they hold true.Most la's out there arent quite useable because they fall into the trap of, 'it cant be as good as one of the phb races' or some other equally inane thought like, 'it has a +2 cha! it must be at least +1 LA!'.So, if the LA fits within your scopes of what you would like to do, and you are reasonably well attuned with people of your same effective level then it is fine, if not then there is a problem <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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