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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 7830782" data-attributes="member: 6787503">Okay, then what's the rule, in your opinion, that prevents the use of the spell or ability after the ability check has been rolled but before the outcome is known?You seem to be agreeing with me here, except maybe for this last bit. By &quot;what the d20 roll would yield&quot;, do you mean whether the DM says the task succeeds or fails, in which case we are in complete agreement? Or do you mean the resulting number of the d20 roll, in which case you're disagreeing not only with me, but with what's explicitly written in the features under discussion?See, this is weird. I've stated numerous times that my position is that the extra die can be used until the DM narrates success or failure and that the design space I'm talking about is that space between the die roll and the DM narrating success or failure. You deny there's such a space, but then you repeat back what I've been saying. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷‍♂️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" title="Man shrugging&nbsp; &nbsp; :man_shrugging:" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 7830782, member: 6787503"] Okay, then what's the rule, in your opinion, that prevents the use of the spell or ability after the ability check has been rolled but before the outcome is known? You seem to be agreeing with me here, except maybe for this last bit. By "what the d20 roll would yield", do you mean whether the DM says the task succeeds or fails, in which case we are in complete agreement? Or do you mean the resulting number of the d20 roll, in which case you're disagreeing not only with me, but with what's explicitly written in the features under discussion? See, this is weird. I've stated numerous times that my position is that the extra die can be used until the DM narrates success or failure and that the design space I'm talking about is that space between the die roll and the DM narrating success or failure. You deny there's such a space, but then you repeat back what I've been saying. 🤷‍♂️ [/QUOTE]

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