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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7831665" data-attributes="member: 97077">The task occurs in the game world. The character does this. The ability check happens at the table. The player does this. The ability check helps the DM determine an outcome when it is uncertain and there's a meaningful consequence for failure.When the guidance spell says the target (&quot;the character&quot; in this case, since the spell is cast on the character) makes an ability check, that is just sloppy shorthand, perhaps due to the author's design conceit of using &quot;natural language.&quot; The spell is obviously affecting the character, not the player, and the player is obviously the one making the ability check, not the character. The ability check isn't happening in the game world - the task is - and since the ability check isn't in the game world, it doesn't happen at any particular point in time. Therefore, it follows that the task must be started and completed within the duration of the spell to have its outcome affected by the spell.Guidance spamming problem solved. Or would you rather keep the guidance spamming? I'm not sure anymore.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7831665, member: 97077"] The task occurs in the game world. The character does this. The ability check happens at the table. The player does this. The ability check helps the DM determine an outcome when it is uncertain and there's a meaningful consequence for failure. When the guidance spell says the target ("the character" in this case, since the spell is cast on the character) makes an ability check, that is just sloppy shorthand, perhaps due to the author's design conceit of using "natural language." The spell is obviously affecting the character, not the player, and the player is obviously the one making the ability check, not the character. The ability check isn't happening in the game world - the task is - and since the ability check isn't in the game world, it doesn't happen at any particular point in time. Therefore, it follows that the task must be started and completed within the duration of the spell to have its outcome affected by the spell. Guidance spamming problem solved. Or would you rather keep the guidance spamming? I'm not sure anymore. [/QUOTE]

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