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<blockquote data-quote="kitsune9" data-source="post: 5821099" data-attributes="member: 18507"><p>I think in my case, the player who was playing a paladin just didn't "get it" and made some pretty poor choices in how paladins should act. He even went to trial over some of his petty and greedy behavior and was exiled from his order, but given a chance for atonement. And he did it twice.</p><p></p><p>It's kind of amusing though when I think about it.</p><p></p><p>The first instance was the PC's covertly crossed a border into a nation that was actively hostile with their home nation (a war was impending). They ran into a noble and his retinue in which the noble immediately accused them of being spies and sentenced them to hang on the spot. The party said no way and defended themselves. There was another paladin that belonged to the noble's side and the two paladins fought against one another.</p><p></p><p>What got him in trouble was that he was very much part of looting their unconscious bodies, tying them up to a tree, and leaving them there to the elements. He knew that he faced off against a fellow paladin, but made no effort to revive her, bind the wounds of those he faced off against, or at least grant them their weapons and armor back so they can reach their castle or residence safely in the bandit-infested woods. When the trial was commencing, this paladin (whose husband was killed by the party), testified against the player and the player had to admit it as truth. It was very damning evidence. </p><p></p><p>This wasn't the first time that the player got caught up in being greedy. I placed a magical armor that was intelligent, yet very evil on a display in some ancient abode in the middle of a volcano that the party was exploring. The armor communicated with mental images. The paladin detected evil, knew the armor to be strong in evil and strong in magic. The paladin then asked what the armor could do. The armor truthfully answered mentally all of its powers, but it lied about it's origins and how it could be "turned" to good. The player didn't even consider that the armor was lying. He just saw it for what he wanted--more powerful bling that he needed to don. Even the other players had counseled against him donning it, but he ignored them as he said he believed the armor. He got cursed. Then started killing innocent people. All sorts of evil fun. The other players had kill the paladin in order to get the armor off of him. </p><p></p><p>This was the last atonement opportunity I was giving the player. His god made him carry the evil armor, could only fight with poor quality weapons and cheap armor, and his ability to detect evil was always on. He could never shut it off and it was driving him insane. When he went completely insane, then the evil armor would be destroyed, but his next armor would always look like the evil suit of armor he wore as a reminder.</p><p></p><p>Then, the party came across a frost giant who tortured, locked away in a cage, and actually hobbled by cultists that they were fighting. The frost giant begged to be released, but glowed evil. The paladin wanted to kill him outright. There was a big debate (a lot of them involving the actions of this player and his paladin). One of my other players had enough and packed up his things and left the game for that day.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kitsune9, post: 5821099, member: 18507"] I think in my case, the player who was playing a paladin just didn't "get it" and made some pretty poor choices in how paladins should act. He even went to trial over some of his petty and greedy behavior and was exiled from his order, but given a chance for atonement. And he did it twice. It's kind of amusing though when I think about it. The first instance was the PC's covertly crossed a border into a nation that was actively hostile with their home nation (a war was impending). They ran into a noble and his retinue in which the noble immediately accused them of being spies and sentenced them to hang on the spot. The party said no way and defended themselves. There was another paladin that belonged to the noble's side and the two paladins fought against one another. What got him in trouble was that he was very much part of looting their unconscious bodies, tying them up to a tree, and leaving them there to the elements. He knew that he faced off against a fellow paladin, but made no effort to revive her, bind the wounds of those he faced off against, or at least grant them their weapons and armor back so they can reach their castle or residence safely in the bandit-infested woods. When the trial was commencing, this paladin (whose husband was killed by the party), testified against the player and the player had to admit it as truth. It was very damning evidence. This wasn't the first time that the player got caught up in being greedy. I placed a magical armor that was intelligent, yet very evil on a display in some ancient abode in the middle of a volcano that the party was exploring. The armor communicated with mental images. The paladin detected evil, knew the armor to be strong in evil and strong in magic. The paladin then asked what the armor could do. The armor truthfully answered mentally all of its powers, but it lied about it's origins and how it could be "turned" to good. The player didn't even consider that the armor was lying. He just saw it for what he wanted--more powerful bling that he needed to don. Even the other players had counseled against him donning it, but he ignored them as he said he believed the armor. He got cursed. Then started killing innocent people. All sorts of evil fun. The other players had kill the paladin in order to get the armor off of him. This was the last atonement opportunity I was giving the player. His god made him carry the evil armor, could only fight with poor quality weapons and cheap armor, and his ability to detect evil was always on. He could never shut it off and it was driving him insane. When he went completely insane, then the evil armor would be destroyed, but his next armor would always look like the evil suit of armor he wore as a reminder. Then, the party came across a frost giant who tortured, locked away in a cage, and actually hobbled by cultists that they were fighting. The frost giant begged to be released, but glowed evil. The paladin wanted to kill him outright. There was a big debate (a lot of them involving the actions of this player and his paladin). One of my other players had enough and packed up his things and left the game for that day. [/QUOTE]
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