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<blockquote data-quote="Zelda Themelin" data-source="post: 5826282" data-attributes="member: 167"><p>Ah remains me of this one player (great dm, very bad control issues as pc) who always started some spree of stupid evil that started about showing respect to authority (he had real life issues about that) or asked to give weapons to guards.</p><p></p><p>I kinda understand that however. If we are under-dogs in real life, it's nice to feel we are free heroes in the games. And often, might not be your experience, gm tends to play these nobles/guards as some a-holes that have chip on shoulder for pc:s. So in thoe cases conflict is really between real persons playing the game, rather than real immersion. </p><p></p><p>People tend to have image in their head how their characters are like, and they sort of want normal npc:s in game react similar way. Somehow I don't feel guards would ask arms off similar ways from dangerous looking heroes than some peasant lads having some knifes on them. </p><p></p><p>Maybe you guys who have common problem with numerous players (rather than just that one guy with over sensetive auhtorirty issues) should pay more attention how you say it. Take into account how pc:s look like and how they generally act.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And no those are not all player entitlement issues. They are great deal gm entitlement issues, where gm has decided to make some social situations hard to play for some sense of "realism" or whatever.</p><p></p><p>And sometimes those gm:s are the control freaks. I am not speaking of elf witch:s cause, but people I knew in RL certainly represented that area as well.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think player entitlement and gm entitlement should be both served. Not always equally but so that game is fun. Because roleplaying is entertaiment hobby. We are supposed to feel good about it. It's not about historical recreating/some other such metagoal, or it can surely be if that's what people there are for. </p><p></p><p>Some people are just not meant to roleplay together. Or maybe some type of games, but some "no way": It's nothing new I've had punch of relativies no-one plays monopoly or any competetive games like that, since these people get enraged if they loose.</p><p></p><p>And then there are social mannerisms that some people just can't stand. And it's not about being negative or rude, the little things, how you speak, how you say things, how long you take to come to actual subject, facial expressions etc.</p><p></p><p>Sometimes those issues are not about game at all, but synergy between people playing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zelda Themelin, post: 5826282, member: 167"] Ah remains me of this one player (great dm, very bad control issues as pc) who always started some spree of stupid evil that started about showing respect to authority (he had real life issues about that) or asked to give weapons to guards. I kinda understand that however. If we are under-dogs in real life, it's nice to feel we are free heroes in the games. And often, might not be your experience, gm tends to play these nobles/guards as some a-holes that have chip on shoulder for pc:s. So in thoe cases conflict is really between real persons playing the game, rather than real immersion. People tend to have image in their head how their characters are like, and they sort of want normal npc:s in game react similar way. Somehow I don't feel guards would ask arms off similar ways from dangerous looking heroes than some peasant lads having some knifes on them. Maybe you guys who have common problem with numerous players (rather than just that one guy with over sensetive auhtorirty issues) should pay more attention how you say it. Take into account how pc:s look like and how they generally act. And no those are not all player entitlement issues. They are great deal gm entitlement issues, where gm has decided to make some social situations hard to play for some sense of "realism" or whatever. And sometimes those gm:s are the control freaks. I am not speaking of elf witch:s cause, but people I knew in RL certainly represented that area as well. I think player entitlement and gm entitlement should be both served. Not always equally but so that game is fun. Because roleplaying is entertaiment hobby. We are supposed to feel good about it. It's not about historical recreating/some other such metagoal, or it can surely be if that's what people there are for. Some people are just not meant to roleplay together. Or maybe some type of games, but some "no way": It's nothing new I've had punch of relativies no-one plays monopoly or any competetive games like that, since these people get enraged if they loose. And then there are social mannerisms that some people just can't stand. And it's not about being negative or rude, the little things, how you speak, how you say things, how long you take to come to actual subject, facial expressions etc. Sometimes those issues are not about game at all, but synergy between people playing. [/QUOTE]
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