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Message: <blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 6503008" data-attributes="member: 22424">That's fine. Have them make a Stealth check to "get queitly into position to strike", and take it from there.Unless you think there's simply no chance for them to fail to do so (which is unlikely, but it's your call). In which case, give them an auto-success on the Stealth check.Whether it's because they pass the check or because they have auto-success, this would give them surprise, which the rules already cover.If you believe it's a sufficient impediment, that door could provide disadvantage on the enemy's Perception check (or passive Perception) that opposes that Stealth check.That's fine. But where you've gone wrong, IMO, is that you've decided that because they didn't make a Stealth check they can't have surprise... and then you need some sort of ruling to patch the problem caused because you're not using the surprise rules.Just use the rules for surprise, and everything else will just work.</blockquote>