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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 2358733" data-attributes="member: 6957">I have not suggested having something weird and wonderful happen. I have been saying that what you did was not fair.You have stated that what you did for him you did to the whole party - no, you did not, unless everyone else was playing somebody else's character. That is something to bear in mind.If it was my game I would not have let the 'friend' play the borrowed character the way he did. He did not know what he was doing. You did. Then after you noticed you did not try to tell him that what he was doing was slow suicide.I would not have targeted the character with 'HELLA troglodytes!' while the character was being borrowed by said 'friend'. You did. (This is the first part where I get annoyed with you. This is where you should have noticed that the 'friend' was incompetent with this character.)I would have decided before rolling to confirm the critical 'this is for subdual damage'. You did not. But you did know that he had only 10 hit points left. (This is the second major annoyance. This is also where a fudge would have been easy, especially since you did not even need to tell the other characters that it was subdual, just that the trog struck and the PC dropped. Dead, unconcious, they have no way of knowing till after the fight.) It also sounds like you grandstanded with the 'there is a 50% chance'. No, there was whatever chance you decided on.You have stated that you knew that the 'friend' was playing the character wrong. By not doing something about it you screwed over the player. I think you know that or you would not have started this thread, and asked your question.. But then you tried to hide behind 'random chance' and 'no retcon'.I will also say that if it was my character I would not have let someone else play it. I had a DM (back during Holmes Basic D&D) who used to insist that the party stayed together (not allowing their characters to leave, even if told the week before), and would basically just kill off the characters of players who missed a game. After the fourth time doing that he was ousted as DM. (I ended up replacing the person who replaced him. It was about the only gaming group that I have been in that tried to be a democracy. Elected DMs... it was a silly thing to try.) So you are catching a little left over steam from that DM.As an aside - what was the CR of the encounter? What is the level of the PCs, it is sounding a wee bit high for the levels of the PCs from what you have described.I would suggest the retcon and the -9 HP. Nothing complicated, just that.I am sorry if this sounds like I am cranky, it is because I am and I need to get some sleep, but wanted to answer this before I go to bed, since I do not know when I can get around to it tomorrow. I tend to get didactic when I am tired.The Auld Grump</blockquote>

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