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<blockquote data-quote="Odhanan" data-source="post: 2887356" data-attributes="member: 12324">My advice: get over it (don't get me wrong: I want to help you). Basically, you solved the situation, people around the table had fun during the game, so the issue's over and done with. Seems like that's your ego that doesn't get it. Rules function only when they are making sense to the people who are are supposed to support and apply them. The initial issue is the core/non-core control, and how strict it has to be for the players and yourself to both enjoy the game, it seems. And here's IMO the bottom-line: there's nothing wrong with allowing options for PCs, and nothing wrong with using higher-CRs creatures to keep things challenging. That's the contrary of nonsensical to me. It just makes sense. So to keep your players happy, allow a number of options you feel comfortable with, while trying to be flexible so they can have fun and feel okay with their characters. Meanwhile, don't feel restricted by the CR and EL rules of the DMG: tailor the XP gains to your group's efficiency. If they're really strong, use APL+2 (or more) creatures for middles CRs instead of straight APL=middle CR, and give amounts of XPs as if CR+2=CR in the DMG.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Odhanan, post: 2887356, member: 12324"] My advice: get over it (don't get me wrong: I want to help you). Basically, you solved the situation, people around the table had fun during the game, so the issue's over and done with. Seems like that's your ego that doesn't get it. Rules function only when they are making sense to the people who are are supposed to support and apply them. The initial issue is the core/non-core control, and how strict it has to be for the players and yourself to both enjoy the game, it seems. And here's IMO the bottom-line: there's nothing wrong with allowing options for PCs, and nothing wrong with using higher-CRs creatures to keep things challenging. That's the contrary of nonsensical to me. It just makes sense. So to keep your players happy, allow a number of options you feel comfortable with, while trying to be flexible so they can have fun and feel okay with their characters. Meanwhile, don't feel restricted by the CR and EL rules of the DMG: tailor the XP gains to your group's efficiency. If they're really strong, use APL+2 (or more) creatures for middles CRs instead of straight APL=middle CR, and give amounts of XPs as if CR+2=CR in the DMG. [/QUOTE]

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