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<blockquote data-quote="ShinHakkaider" data-source="post: 2887448" data-attributes="member: 9213">Exactly. Especially if he knew what the deal was before hand. If he had a problem with it then he should have discussed this with you beforehand and tried to work something out. It looks like he was pulling some ofthe typical gamer passive agressive crap and finessed you into caving. Which sort of sucked. The Op is right this has nothing to do with stats, it has to do with that player's total disrespect for the DM in this case. Even if you disagree, you still discuss. Not badger, cajole or threaten. You work it out and if you cant come to an agreement then your game is not the game for that player and you'd have to find someplace else to run your game. The bottom line here is no matter how many people say otherwise, unless youre co-Dm'ing with someone, the DM does MORE work to prep for and run a game than a Player does in playing that game. It's not an inditement, it's just a how it is. A player is responsible for his PC(s), the Dm is responsible for everything else and all of the work that entails, including the fun of the players. As a result if the DM is setting up rules for Char gen he's doing so for a reason. That reason can be talked about with the DM and ultimately mutually altered and changed, but it was the WAY that it was done in this particular case that reeks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ShinHakkaider, post: 2887448, member: 9213"] Exactly. Especially if he knew what the deal was before hand. If he had a problem with it then he should have discussed this with you beforehand and tried to work something out. It looks like he was pulling some ofthe typical gamer passive agressive crap and finessed you into caving. Which sort of sucked. The Op is right this has nothing to do with stats, it has to do with that player's total disrespect for the DM in this case. Even if you disagree, you still discuss. Not badger, cajole or threaten. You work it out and if you cant come to an agreement then your game is not the game for that player and you'd have to find someplace else to run your game. The bottom line here is no matter how many people say otherwise, unless youre co-Dm'ing with someone, the DM does MORE work to prep for and run a game than a Player does in playing that game. It's not an inditement, it's just a how it is. A player is responsible for his PC(s), the Dm is responsible for everything else and all of the work that entails, including the fun of the players. As a result if the DM is setting up rules for Char gen he's doing so for a reason. That reason can be talked about with the DM and ultimately mutually altered and changed, but it was the WAY that it was done in this particular case that reeks. [/QUOTE]

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