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<blockquote data-quote="Elephant" data-source="post: 2887969" data-attributes="member: 17431"><p>IRT Odhanan:</p><p></p><p>The campaign is the World's Largest Dungeon, so I don't have the option of simply changing out creatures with higher-CR ones without a TON of work - work that I'd rather avoid.</p><p></p><p>As to allowing non-core stuff, I've tried to be reasonable about approving requests...I don't mind adding new things in modest doses. I do need to know what I'm getting myself into, though.</p><p></p><p></p><p>IRT Kunimatyu:</p><p></p><p>Yeah, it's possible that I'm being too uptight. I REALLY want to avoid a campaign crash & burn due to option overload, though.</p><p></p><p>The player himself has not historically been a problem player with respect to munchkinism, so I'm not worried about that. It's more about feeling in control of things that I'm running, really. I want to know what I'm dealing with - and have the option to say "I'm NOT dealing with that."</p><p></p><p></p><p>IRT TresGeek: LOL, you DID tell me so!</p><p></p><p></p><p>IRT Nightfall: Great, I'll roll up a cleric <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>IRT Rodrigo: Yep, experienced player and semi-noobish DM. I'm hoping to cut my teeth on something close to core and avoid getting in over my head.</p><p></p><p></p><p>IRT happyelf: He started with a human rogue with flavor text "Quarter orc". He also talked about a disgraced paladin who couldn't use his order's favored weapon (longsword) until he'd redeemed his honor. Then he changed his mind and statted up a Dragon Shaman from the PHB II instead (character died after two sessions of play - the WLD is DEADLY).</p><p></p><p>Then he wanted to reincarnate the Dragon Shaman into an Orc body. I didn't like that, so he went with a Kobold instead...a Kobold rogue. He used a couple of things from Races of the Dragon (which, after perusing in the bookstore, looks pretty cool to me. I might end up buying it if I think I can get some more use out of it).</p><p></p><p></p><p>IRT Graf: The other players suggested that I go and talk to him, actually. Given the lingering tension in the room, I felt that it was the only reasonable course of action. </p><p></p><p></p><p>IRT The Shaman: Already done. One of his first characters died in the session before the problem arose.</p><p></p><p></p><p>IRT ShinHakkaider: That's an excellent summary of where I'm coming from. Thank you.</p><p></p><p></p><p>IRT ShadowRaven: Done and done. Excellent suggestions, thank you.</p><p></p><p></p><p>IRT Jester: I've asked another player to host for next week. Also, the rules aren't Absolutely Core-Only, they're "Start with core, if you want something else, check with me first and send me stats in advance, so I have a chance to review 'em".</p><p></p><p></p><p>IRT Shadowslayer: Heh, I'd rather find a cooperative solution than see the group break up. I do enjoy playing with this guy normally...I just don't like what he's doing in *my* campaign so far. He kind of has a history of saying "This character sucks, I want to bring in a different one" within a few sessions of a new campaign starting, actually.</p><p></p><p></p><p>IRT der_kluge: Yeah, I think he's being kind of childish. I want to run an easier-to-run game to have an easier time DMing as I gain more XP, then go with a more open-options campaign later, when I feel more confident that I have a handle on all the crazy stuff.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elephant, post: 2887969, member: 17431"] IRT Odhanan: The campaign is the World's Largest Dungeon, so I don't have the option of simply changing out creatures with higher-CR ones without a TON of work - work that I'd rather avoid. As to allowing non-core stuff, I've tried to be reasonable about approving requests...I don't mind adding new things in modest doses. I do need to know what I'm getting myself into, though. IRT Kunimatyu: Yeah, it's possible that I'm being too uptight. I REALLY want to avoid a campaign crash & burn due to option overload, though. The player himself has not historically been a problem player with respect to munchkinism, so I'm not worried about that. It's more about feeling in control of things that I'm running, really. I want to know what I'm dealing with - and have the option to say "I'm NOT dealing with that." IRT TresGeek: LOL, you DID tell me so! IRT Nightfall: Great, I'll roll up a cleric :) IRT Rodrigo: Yep, experienced player and semi-noobish DM. I'm hoping to cut my teeth on something close to core and avoid getting in over my head. IRT happyelf: He started with a human rogue with flavor text "Quarter orc". He also talked about a disgraced paladin who couldn't use his order's favored weapon (longsword) until he'd redeemed his honor. Then he changed his mind and statted up a Dragon Shaman from the PHB II instead (character died after two sessions of play - the WLD is DEADLY). Then he wanted to reincarnate the Dragon Shaman into an Orc body. I didn't like that, so he went with a Kobold instead...a Kobold rogue. He used a couple of things from Races of the Dragon (which, after perusing in the bookstore, looks pretty cool to me. I might end up buying it if I think I can get some more use out of it). IRT Graf: The other players suggested that I go and talk to him, actually. Given the lingering tension in the room, I felt that it was the only reasonable course of action. IRT The Shaman: Already done. One of his first characters died in the session before the problem arose. IRT ShinHakkaider: That's an excellent summary of where I'm coming from. Thank you. IRT ShadowRaven: Done and done. Excellent suggestions, thank you. IRT Jester: I've asked another player to host for next week. Also, the rules aren't Absolutely Core-Only, they're "Start with core, if you want something else, check with me first and send me stats in advance, so I have a chance to review 'em". IRT Shadowslayer: Heh, I'd rather find a cooperative solution than see the group break up. I do enjoy playing with this guy normally...I just don't like what he's doing in *my* campaign so far. He kind of has a history of saying "This character sucks, I want to bring in a different one" within a few sessions of a new campaign starting, actually. IRT der_kluge: Yeah, I think he's being kind of childish. I want to run an easier-to-run game to have an easier time DMing as I gain more XP, then go with a more open-options campaign later, when I feel more confident that I have a handle on all the crazy stuff. [/QUOTE]
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