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<blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 2889900" data-attributes="member: 1210">Wow, so you're saying that if your style doesn't fit another group, they aren't &quot;mature&quot;??Your &quot;guarantee&quot; is simply a declaration of the style of game that you prefer.&nbsp; It isn't &quot;better&quot; than someone else's game.&nbsp; It doesn't necessarily lead to a more cohesive group.&nbsp; It might for your group, but I think it is a little arrogant to assume that your gaming style is right and others are wrong.&nbsp; I don't want to sound snarky, but perhaps different groups enjoy different styles of games...?&nbsp; I have a group of c. 10 players, and a waiting list of people waiting to get into my game about a dozen folks long, and I severely curtail what options are available from various books.What, you want to play a goliath?&nbsp; A wu jen?&nbsp; A dragon shaman?&nbsp; You want to use the radiant servant of Pelor prestige class?&nbsp; You want to use the orb spells?No, no, no, no and no.Does this make my group &quot;immature?&quot;&nbsp; I don't think so.&nbsp; We've been playing in my current campaign for about a dozen years, and we're still going strong.&nbsp; Some of the pcs have been around since 2ed; hell, some of the npcs have been around since 1e.&nbsp; To me, the real issue here has barely been touched on: the problem player was dishonest about his second character.&nbsp; If he's starting the game off by lying to the dm in order to make an end run around the already-established character generation rules for the campaign, there can be only trouble on the horizon, imho.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="the Jester, post: 2889900, member: 1210"] Wow, so you're saying that if your style doesn't fit another group, they aren't "mature"?? Your "guarantee" is simply a declaration of [i]the style of game that [b]you[/b] prefer.[/i] It isn't "better" than someone else's game. It doesn't necessarily lead to a more cohesive group. It might [i]for your group,[/i] but I think it is a little arrogant to assume that your gaming style is right and others are wrong. I don't want to sound snarky, but perhaps different groups enjoy different styles of games...? I have a group of c. 10 players, and a waiting list of people waiting to get into my game about a dozen folks long, and I severely curtail what options are available from various books. What, you want to play a goliath? A wu jen? A dragon shaman? You want to use the radiant servant of Pelor prestige class? You want to use the [i]orb[/i] spells? No, no, no, no and no. Does this make my group "immature?" I don't think so. We've been playing in my current campaign for about a dozen years, and we're still going strong. Some of the pcs have been around since 2ed; hell, some of the npcs have been around since 1e. To me, the real issue here has barely been touched on: the problem player was dishonest about his second character. If he's starting the game off by lying to the dm in order to make an end run around the already-established character generation rules for the campaign, there can be only trouble on the horizon, imho. [/QUOTE]

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