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<blockquote data-quote="R_J_K75" data-source="post: 8334485" data-attributes="member: 6921294">I feel your pain and agree.&nbsp; Players should learn their characters and abilities, where to find things on their sheet, keep track of equipment and have at least a fundamental knowledge of the rules in the PHB that pertains not only to their character but some general rules of the game.&nbsp; Its just common courtesy to the DM and other players.&nbsp; I had this problem about 2-3 months ago.&nbsp; I updated my core books to the current printings so I gave two of my players my extra old PHBs.&nbsp; I told them &quot;look we've been playing together for over 2 years, and you still cant find things on your character sheet or know your PC's, if you cant be bothered as a player, I'm not going to bother to put much effort in as a DM&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; Two players that never contributed much to the game dropped out and the other 2 players I gave the PHB to have really steeped their game up and everyone is making an effort to learn their PC and the rules.&nbsp; Letting your players know you're aggravated goes a long way.&nbsp;&nbsp; I know you shouldn't have to but I've found sometimes players digest things better in smaller doses.&nbsp; Perhaps writing a one to two page tutorial on the key features of the VTT that they can print and reference during the game might help. I wrote out a short step-by-step PC creation cheat sheet and that helped greatly.&nbsp; Regardless its a frustrating situation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="R_J_K75, post: 8334485, member: 6921294"] I feel your pain and agree. Players should learn their characters and abilities, where to find things on their sheet, keep track of equipment and have at least a fundamental knowledge of the rules in the PHB that pertains not only to their character but some general rules of the game. Its just common courtesy to the DM and other players. I had this problem about 2-3 months ago. I updated my core books to the current printings so I gave two of my players my extra old PHBs. I told them "look we've been playing together for over 2 years, and you still cant find things on your character sheet or know your PC's, if you cant be bothered as a player, I'm not going to bother to put much effort in as a DM". Two players that never contributed much to the game dropped out and the other 2 players I gave the PHB to have really steeped their game up and everyone is making an effort to learn their PC and the rules. Letting your players know you're aggravated goes a long way. I know you shouldn't have to but I've found sometimes players digest things better in smaller doses. Perhaps writing a one to two page tutorial on the key features of the VTT that they can print and reference during the game might help. I wrote out a short step-by-step PC creation cheat sheet and that helped greatly. Regardless its a frustrating situation. [/QUOTE]

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