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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 7965627" data-attributes="member: 71699">Actually, I wanted to also acknowledge your point here. Yes, you are right to say &quot;attempt&quot; is like &quot;try&quot; and my response could be seen as a quibble. We both end up with an implicit &quot;no&quot; or as you put it &quot;you fail&quot;.The nuances that I wanted to call out include that on the game side of role-playing game, the rules are constitutive (we accept them just so that we can play the game). To attempt an action that is against the rules is to cheat or be a spoilsport (using these terms in a fairly technical sense, not pejoratively). So with their referee hat on a DM should say &quot;No, you cannot do that&quot; if a player wants to act against the rules.Then there is the matter of possibility. I am saying that if something is impossible for a character to do, they can't really attempt that thing and to entertain them in trying could mislead them. They need to be let know that it is impossible, and guided one way or another to changing tack. That's where I like [USER=7019027]@Asisreo[/USER]'s &quot;How will you do that&quot; as a gentle form of &quot;No, but what do you want to try that you could possibly do?&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 7965627, member: 71699"] Actually, I wanted to also acknowledge your point here. Yes, you are right to say "[I]attempt[/I]" is like "[I]try[/I]" and my response could be seen as a quibble. We both end up with an implicit "[I]no[/I]" or as you put it "[I]you fail[/I]". The nuances that I wanted to call out include that on the game side of role-playing game, the rules are constitutive (we accept them just so that we can play the game). To attempt an action that is against the rules is to cheat or be a spoilsport (using these terms in a fairly technical sense, not pejoratively). So with their referee hat on a DM should say "[I]No, you cannot do that[/I]" if a player wants to act against the rules. Then there is the matter of possibility. I am saying that if something is impossible for a character to do, they can't really attempt that thing and to entertain them in trying could mislead them. They need to be let know that it is impossible, and guided one way or another to changing tack. That's where I like [USER=7019027]@Asisreo[/USER]'s "[I]How will you do that[/I]" as a gentle form of "[I]No, but what do you want to try that you could possibly do?[/I]" [/QUOTE]

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