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<blockquote data-quote="fusangite" data-source="post: 1995946" data-attributes="member: 7240"><p>No it doesn't. If realism were the motivation for your difficult player, he wouldn't have declared that he would refuse to let the player's new character join the party. No. He's just using "realism" as a justification for his bad behaviour.</p><p></p><p>Can't you phone or e-mail him beforehand?</p><p></p><p>I would be upset too. However, the solution is not to deprive players of their free will.</p><p></p><p>Look: this isn't a dispute between the GM and a player. This is a dispute amongst the players. You may hope that it is resolved in a way that minimizes player discomfort but that's not something you can unilaterally control. </p><p></p><p>And I still don't understand how the dispute is working at an operational level. Why won't you tell us how the resurrection and reincarnation are working here? Are they on scrolls? Are they spells someone knows? Or or are they working some other way? Which character controls when and how they are cast? The party, collectively, does not control this -- the individual with the capacity to use the spell or magic item does. So, it is really necessary for you to tell the details if you actually want our help.</p><p></p><p>Conaill has made some suggestions about ways you can deal with this issue without depriving people of the right to play their own character. Would any of these ideas work?</p><p></p><p>If, on the other hand, you're looking for a carte blanche endorsement for your plan to seize control of someone's character and make him do the opposite of what he wants to do, I think all your sympathy here will evaporate. Many of us agree with your assessment that this difficult player is being a jerk. But don't take this as an endorsement for you being a bigger jerk.</p><p></p><p>It tells me a he's a jerk. Something on which I have already agreed with you. But just because someone is being a jerk doesn't entitle you to mind-control his character. There are lots of other possible solutions we could help you fashion if you would give us sufficient information about what is going on.</p><p></p><p>When did I suggest that this was the problem?</p><p></p><p>Now, if you think this guy should be thrown out of your game for insulting you and the other players last week, that I can see. He doesn't sound terribly fun to game with. Then you have swrushing's solution -- one that I too endorse as a last resort.</p><p></p><p>To recap: please switch into problem solving mode and out of bitching mode. Tell us how the spells would go into effect and who in the party has the capacity to use them. Then we can problem-solve.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fusangite, post: 1995946, member: 7240"] No it doesn't. If realism were the motivation for your difficult player, he wouldn't have declared that he would refuse to let the player's new character join the party. No. He's just using "realism" as a justification for his bad behaviour. Can't you phone or e-mail him beforehand? I would be upset too. However, the solution is not to deprive players of their free will. Look: this isn't a dispute between the GM and a player. This is a dispute amongst the players. You may hope that it is resolved in a way that minimizes player discomfort but that's not something you can unilaterally control. And I still don't understand how the dispute is working at an operational level. Why won't you tell us how the resurrection and reincarnation are working here? Are they on scrolls? Are they spells someone knows? Or or are they working some other way? Which character controls when and how they are cast? The party, collectively, does not control this -- the individual with the capacity to use the spell or magic item does. So, it is really necessary for you to tell the details if you actually want our help. Conaill has made some suggestions about ways you can deal with this issue without depriving people of the right to play their own character. Would any of these ideas work? If, on the other hand, you're looking for a carte blanche endorsement for your plan to seize control of someone's character and make him do the opposite of what he wants to do, I think all your sympathy here will evaporate. Many of us agree with your assessment that this difficult player is being a jerk. But don't take this as an endorsement for you being a bigger jerk. It tells me a he's a jerk. Something on which I have already agreed with you. But just because someone is being a jerk doesn't entitle you to mind-control his character. There are lots of other possible solutions we could help you fashion if you would give us sufficient information about what is going on. When did I suggest that this was the problem? Now, if you think this guy should be thrown out of your game for insulting you and the other players last week, that I can see. He doesn't sound terribly fun to game with. Then you have swrushing's solution -- one that I too endorse as a last resort. To recap: please switch into problem solving mode and out of bitching mode. Tell us how the spells would go into effect and who in the party has the capacity to use them. Then we can problem-solve. [/QUOTE]
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