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<blockquote data-quote="fusangite" data-source="post: 1996803" data-attributes="member: 7240"><p>Gee... a thread where I find my opinion gradually drifting towards that of swrushing. What is the world coming to!?</p><p></p><p>Hannibal, I had really hoped that your answer to my questions would clarify things. Instead, not only have you not answered it, you are adding even more confusing information to the mix. Still, based on what I've been able to tease out of your posts, I think the following is going on:</p><p>1. There is a nearby church with a scroll of resurrection in it.</p><p>2. There is someone in the party who can use the scroll. This character is either a Bard or Rogue with his Use Magic Device skill maxed-out or a cleric who is not quite high enough level to cast Raise Dead -- I'm guessing 7th or 8th level.</p><p>3. There is a druid in the party who can cast Reincarnate -- so, for the sake of consistency I'm going to guess his level at 7th or 8th. </p><p>4. There are three surviving PCs right now. One is a druid of 7th level or so. One is probably a cleric of 7th level or so but might be a rogue or bard. The third is probably also around 7th level but we don't know his class.</p><p>5. The characters have recently been in a battle with one or more Mohrgs, Spectres, Vampires, Wights or Wraiths who slew two of the characters and caused them to become undead.</p><p></p><p>From this, we can conclude the following: </p><p>1. Only one of the dead characters is coming back from the dead through the use of the resurrection scroll.</p><p>2. The cleric, bard or rogue will be the one using the scroll. The druid will not. </p><p></p><p>If you really want everyone to be happy at all costs, I'm a little baffled as to why you didn't just give the church two such scrolls. </p><p></p><p>But you obviously do. So what's the real reason? If you think that metagaming is fine and that harmony should be achieved at all costs -- to the point of mind-controlling a character, how can having two scrolls be wrong? Is it really your position that it is less offensive to take away someone's free will than to re-jig the equipment available at the local church?</p><p></p><p>All choices will affect the players' feelings. It's just that you don't care about the feelings of the jerky difficult player. But he still has feelings and obviously, based on what little we know about him, the most hurtful thing you can do to him is deprive him of the right to roleplay his character. Isn't it interesting that this is your preferred solution?</p><p></p><p>Is sticking it to a guy you find annoying worth wrecking your game?</p><p></p><p>Now, I think I can have something productive to say here if you will answer a couple more questions:</p><p>1. How many characters have the capacity to use the scroll?</p><p>2. Who plays these characters?</p><p></p><p>EDIT: Two things I forgot to add:</p><p>1. Having re-read swrushing's posts, I want to offer my wholehearted endorsement of everything he says in his last post.</p><p>2. Are there any NPCs who can use the scroll (e.g. church personnel)?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fusangite, post: 1996803, member: 7240"] Gee... a thread where I find my opinion gradually drifting towards that of swrushing. What is the world coming to!? Hannibal, I had really hoped that your answer to my questions would clarify things. Instead, not only have you not answered it, you are adding even more confusing information to the mix. Still, based on what I've been able to tease out of your posts, I think the following is going on: 1. There is a nearby church with a scroll of resurrection in it. 2. There is someone in the party who can use the scroll. This character is either a Bard or Rogue with his Use Magic Device skill maxed-out or a cleric who is not quite high enough level to cast Raise Dead -- I'm guessing 7th or 8th level. 3. There is a druid in the party who can cast Reincarnate -- so, for the sake of consistency I'm going to guess his level at 7th or 8th. 4. There are three surviving PCs right now. One is a druid of 7th level or so. One is probably a cleric of 7th level or so but might be a rogue or bard. The third is probably also around 7th level but we don't know his class. 5. The characters have recently been in a battle with one or more Mohrgs, Spectres, Vampires, Wights or Wraiths who slew two of the characters and caused them to become undead. From this, we can conclude the following: 1. Only one of the dead characters is coming back from the dead through the use of the resurrection scroll. 2. The cleric, bard or rogue will be the one using the scroll. The druid will not. If you really want everyone to be happy at all costs, I'm a little baffled as to why you didn't just give the church two such scrolls. But you obviously do. So what's the real reason? If you think that metagaming is fine and that harmony should be achieved at all costs -- to the point of mind-controlling a character, how can having two scrolls be wrong? Is it really your position that it is less offensive to take away someone's free will than to re-jig the equipment available at the local church? All choices will affect the players' feelings. It's just that you don't care about the feelings of the jerky difficult player. But he still has feelings and obviously, based on what little we know about him, the most hurtful thing you can do to him is deprive him of the right to roleplay his character. Isn't it interesting that this is your preferred solution? Is sticking it to a guy you find annoying worth wrecking your game? Now, I think I can have something productive to say here if you will answer a couple more questions: 1. How many characters have the capacity to use the scroll? 2. Who plays these characters? EDIT: Two things I forgot to add: 1. Having re-read swrushing's posts, I want to offer my wholehearted endorsement of everything he says in his last post. 2. Are there any NPCs who can use the scroll (e.g. church personnel)? [/QUOTE]
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