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<blockquote data-quote="Mordane76" data-source="post: 1331853" data-attributes="member: 7172">This is a very adversarial position -- you phrase it like 'DM mistakes' are conscious plans committed just to screw players.&nbsp; Just because a DM CAN cheat, doesn't mean that a DM DOES cheat, and if you've had a DM that has done things like this in the past, it doesn't mean that all DMs do things like this.&nbsp; I'd go so far to say that a player who has the attitude you outline above from the get-go is a bad player and should give up his hobby.DMs are human -- we make mistakes.&nbsp; I don't know how many people have pointed out the complexity and breadth of material in the core rules, but when you couple that with a regular work schedule and other things that cut into a DM's pre-planning time and their ability to retain statistical information, it's bound to happen that a DM will forget something.&nbsp; If a player knows the rule, and knows where to find it fast, they are more than welcome to point it out, tell me where to look, and I'll be happy to correct the oversight immediately.&nbsp; If a player THINKS I've made a mistake, and it's an important point of contention, we'll stop and look it up.&nbsp; But if we're in the middle of a combat, and I've ruled that a particular location gives 3/4 cover, and the player thinks that because of it's size and his &quot;careful positioning&quot; that is should be 9/10 cover, I'll stop, think about it, and if I agree he gets it.&nbsp; If I don't agree, he doesn't -- and if he doesn't like that, he can talk to me about it after the game.&nbsp; If he insists on becoming confrontational and making a scene about it in the middle of the combat, and thus making everyone else have to sit there and listen to him complain about my unjust ruling, I have no compunctions about telling him to pack his books up and go home for the night.&nbsp; DMing is supposed to be fun as well, and nagging and arguing over a call is not fun for the DM, and it's not fun for the people who have to sit through it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mordane76, post: 1331853, member: 7172"] This is a very adversarial position -- you phrase it like 'DM mistakes' are conscious plans committed just to screw players. Just because a DM [b]CAN[/b] cheat, doesn't mean that a DM [b]DOES[/b] cheat, and if you've had a DM that has done things like this in the past, it doesn't mean that all DMs do things like this. I'd go so far to say that a player who has the attitude you outline above from the get-go is a bad player and should give up his hobby. DMs are human -- we make mistakes. I don't know how many people have pointed out the complexity and breadth of material in the core rules, but when you couple that with a regular work schedule and other things that cut into a DM's pre-planning time and their ability to retain statistical information, it's bound to happen that a DM will forget something. If a player knows the rule, and knows where to find it fast, they are more than welcome to point it out, tell me where to look, and I'll be happy to correct the oversight immediately. If a player THINKS I've made a mistake, and it's an important point of contention, we'll stop and look it up. But if we're in the middle of a combat, and I've ruled that a particular location gives 3/4 cover, and the player thinks that because of it's size and his "careful positioning" that is should be 9/10 cover, I'll stop, think about it, and if I agree he gets it. If I don't agree, he doesn't -- and if he doesn't like that, he can talk to me about it after the game. If he insists on becoming confrontational and making a scene about it in the middle of the combat, and thus making everyone else have to sit there and listen to him complain about my unjust ruling, I have no compunctions about telling him to pack his books up and go home for the night. DMing is supposed to be fun as well, and nagging and arguing over a call is not fun for the DM, and it's not fun for the people who have to sit through it. [/QUOTE]

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