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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shilsen" data-source="post: 4113082" data-attributes="member: 198">As noted above, their AC is high but not impossibly so. kenobi65 provided a CR 10 enemy with a +20 to hit. Another simple example of the same CR:Hill giant Bbn3BAB +12Str 30, or 34 when ragingW. Focus +1 greatswordWhile raging, the guy's attacking at +25/20/15, doing 3d6+19 damage on a hit, and (with Improved Critical) threatening a crit on a 17-20. And this is with absolutely basic feats and equipment. Have two giants which have swigged potions of Bull's Strength and are flanking, and you've got attacks at +29/24/19. If you really want to crank things up, you could have CR 10 enemies who'll hit your PCs on a 2.  And the above is with a melee enemy. Those using ranged weaponry or spells could have an even easier time.  None of the opponents you use ever have ranged weapons or spells? And none of your players knew that either? The Magic Circle thing is really pretty basic, so now I'm wondering if part of your problem is that the players and you are actually using the rules wrong. Are you absolutely sure everything they're using is valid?Do your PCs ever meet enemies that know who they are? Anyone who knows what sort of abilities they have would be completely justified in using that as a tactic. It would certainly be a bad idea to use it all the time, but it could come up for some of the really relevant fights.</blockquote>