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Message: <blockquote data-quote="moritheil" data-source="post: 4113537" data-attributes="member: 30610">Then your statements don't add up.  You know how to optimize, and you want to solve the problem of weak encounters, but you refuse to use the knowledge you already have?  The players don't take their characters out of the box; why are you using nothing but monsters out of the box?  A proper DM should make monsters, not just find them.And what about my suggestion of wraithstrike?  It solves the AC problem perfectly, but I notice you didn't address it.According to what you said, your alternative is to bore your players to death.  They are ASKING you to throw something challenging at them.  Just because the party isn't built to deal with it doesn't mean they should get a bye.  Regarding your comparison, the tarrasque is EL 20 and anything they can do against it is literally futile.  This isn't the same situation.  Though statistically they probably can't win against incorporeal dead in sufficient numbers, some of them may figure out a way to survive somehow.  Don't equate two pre-epic encounters of vastly different EL.That's a little extreme.  No one's saying you need to do this for every encounter, just that every once in a while you should mix things up and show the PCs that they are not omnipotent.Sure, do what you like.  You might want to note in the future that higher level games require a little more work than level 1-3 games. Honestly, if you are an optimizer, then I can't figure out why you started this thread in the first place.  You should have known what was possible and what was not possible already.  And if - as you say - the problem lies in your willingness to apply your knowledge, then that's something only you can deal with; we can't force you to do it or not do it, and a thread will have little impact on the matter.</blockquote>

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