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<blockquote data-quote="The Shaman" data-source="post: 2907105" data-attributes="member: 26473">Reading is FUN-damental! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> They did if you used the morale rules, or if the dungeon master had some sense.Backstabbing is not limited to surprise attacks.Some of your objections sound a bit petty, Hussar. The ability score advantage stays with the character throughout the character's career, so what's the problem?The penalties in 1e are much lower than those in 3e, and virtually every thief character in our group fought with two weapons (usually sword and dagger, or two daggers), as did my fighter (spiked buckler and short sword) and ranger (two hand axes) characters.It sounds like the problem for you wasn't the rules, Hussar, but rather playing with a selection of crummy dungeon masters. You never fought anywhere but in ten-foot wide corridors or something?Again, crummy dungeon master, not a problem with the rules.You could subdue creatures of humanoid size and type as well.Huh? You roll for an attack, roll for a hold, and then the opponent rolls to counter.But not every opponent is a monster with claws, at least in most games. You never encountered bandits or orcs or the evil duke's personal guards?Oh, please. :\ Hussar, the fact that you personally never used the many different combat options and advantages that existed in 1e AD&amp;D doesn't mean that no one did. Your claim that there are no such options simply doesn't hold up.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Shaman, post: 2907105, member: 26473"] Reading is FUN-damental! :D They did if you used the morale rules, or if the dungeon master had some sense.Backstabbing is not limited to surprise attacks.Some of your objections sound a bit petty, [b]Hussar[/b]. The ability score advantage stays with the character throughout the character's career, so what's the problem?The penalties in 1e are [U]much[/U] lower than those in 3e, and virtually every thief character in our group fought with two weapons (usually sword and dagger, or two daggers), as did my fighter (spiked buckler and short sword) and ranger (two hand axes) characters.It sounds like the problem for you wasn't the rules, [b]Hussar[/b], but rather playing with a selection of crummy dungeon masters. You never fought anywhere but in ten-foot wide corridors or something?Again, crummy dungeon master, not a problem with the rules.You could subdue creatures of humanoid size and type as well.Huh? You roll for an attack, roll for a hold, and then the opponent rolls to counter.But not every opponent is a monster with claws, at least in most games. You never encountered bandits or orcs or the evil duke's personal guards?Oh, please. :\ [b]Hussar[/b], the fact that [u]you[/u] personally never used the many different combat options and advantages that existed in 1e [i]AD&D[/i] doesn't mean that no one did. Your claim that there are no such options simply doesn't hold up. [/QUOTE]

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