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<blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 6677862" data-attributes="member: 5143">My problem with this is that it sucks to be a player when this situation is reversed:&quot;You are standing there talking to the guy.&nbsp; He pulls out a sword and...crits you, you take 25 damage.&nbsp; I guess you die.&quot;&quot;Wait, I just stood there and watched him pull out a sword and stab me and I didn't have a chance to react?&nbsp; I have a 20 dex.&nbsp; I'm really fast.&nbsp; I want to maybe disarm him or kill him before he attacks me or at least get to use the dodge action.&quot;Unfortunately, when rounds are 6 seconds long you were periodically run into &quot;weirdness&quot; with the initiative system.&nbsp; This is one of these cases.&nbsp; But if described correctly, it's not that bad.Just say something like &quot;Alright, you step forward to get within range to punch the other guy in the face and as you are about to he sees the intention to attack him in your eyes and in your body language and stance.&nbsp; He pulls out a sword and stabs you in the gut lightning fast before you have a chance to throw your punch.&nbsp; It's your turn.&nbsp; Do you still want to punch him?&quot;But, I've said in the previous post that if you think everyone around you would actually be thrown off guard by your attack because they have absolutely NO idea you are about to start a fight(like you ask someone to get in close so you can whisper something into their ear then draw a dagger in a way that's shielded from sight) then I'll still give someone a surprise round, which amounts to letting them go first.&nbsp; Normally to get this advantage in my games you need to make a Deception, Slight of Hand, or Stealth check or you don't get the surprise round.&nbsp; Basically, there has to be some REASON you get the benefit.&nbsp; Otherwise, I'll assume that there is enough time between you starting to attack and finishing the attack that someone else might have time to react.&nbsp; Heck, I might even give you advantage on initiative for initiating a battle when no one was expecting it without any tricks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Majoru Oakheart, post: 6677862, member: 5143"] My problem with this is that it sucks to be a player when this situation is reversed: "You are standing there talking to the guy. He pulls out a sword and...crits you, you take 25 damage. I guess you die." "Wait, I just stood there and watched him pull out a sword and stab me and I didn't have a chance to react? I have a 20 dex. I'm really fast. I want to maybe disarm him or kill him before he attacks me or at least get to use the dodge action." Unfortunately, when rounds are 6 seconds long you were periodically run into "weirdness" with the initiative system. This is one of these cases. But if described correctly, it's not that bad. Just say something like "Alright, you step forward to get within range to punch the other guy in the face and as you are about to he sees the intention to attack him in your eyes and in your body language and stance. He pulls out a sword and stabs you in the gut lightning fast before you have a chance to throw your punch. It's your turn. Do you still want to punch him?" But, I've said in the previous post that if you think everyone around you would actually be thrown off guard by your attack because they have absolutely NO idea you are about to start a fight(like you ask someone to get in close so you can whisper something into their ear then draw a dagger in a way that's shielded from sight) then I'll still give someone a surprise round, which amounts to letting them go first. Normally to get this advantage in my games you need to make a Deception, Slight of Hand, or Stealth check or you don't get the surprise round. Basically, there has to be some REASON you get the benefit. Otherwise, I'll assume that there is enough time between you starting to attack and finishing the attack that someone else might have time to react. Heck, I might even give you advantage on initiative for initiating a battle when no one was expecting it without any tricks. [/QUOTE]

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