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<blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 6681119" data-attributes="member: 5143">Yeah, this is why in situations like this, I'll make it clear that there IS a fight if my intention is to have the &quot;ugly dudes&quot; attack.&nbsp; If they come around the corner and no one takes any violent actions, I'll just describe it as &quot;You see a group of ugly looking guys.&nbsp; They have weapons in their hands but they don't immediately move to attack you.&nbsp; What do you do?&quot;If one of the PCs says &quot;I attack them&quot; then I say &quot;Roll for initiative&quot;.&nbsp; If I decide that any of the ugly guys changes his mind and decides to attack I'll say &quot;One of them seems tired of this conversation and starts to lunge towards you, ready to attack.&quot; then roll for initiative.I agree.&nbsp; That's what initiative is for:&nbsp; Determining who goes first when a battle breaks out.&nbsp; The PCs might not WANT to fight, but the enemy isn't giving them a choice.&nbsp; Initiative tells you if the PCs managed to react before the actual attack takes place.&nbsp; Even if the allies of the Ugly Guy who started the fight don't want to attack, they don't have to during their turn.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Majoru Oakheart, post: 6681119, member: 5143"] Yeah, this is why in situations like this, I'll make it clear that there IS a fight if my intention is to have the "ugly dudes" attack. If they come around the corner and no one takes any violent actions, I'll just describe it as "You see a group of ugly looking guys. They have weapons in their hands but they don't immediately move to attack you. What do you do?" If one of the PCs says "I attack them" then I say "Roll for initiative". If I decide that any of the ugly guys changes his mind and decides to attack I'll say "One of them seems tired of this conversation and starts to lunge towards you, ready to attack." then roll for initiative. I agree. That's what initiative is for: Determining who goes first when a battle breaks out. The PCs might not WANT to fight, but the enemy isn't giving them a choice. Initiative tells you if the PCs managed to react before the actual attack takes place. Even if the allies of the Ugly Guy who started the fight don't want to attack, they don't have to during their turn. [/QUOTE]

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