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<blockquote data-quote="MG.0" data-source="post: 6685583" data-attributes="member: 6799436">I completely disagree, for reasons I've mentioned in this thread <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?466314-Assassinate" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?466314-Assassinate</a>Running surprise to the end of the round only appears simpler if you disregard the second sentence in the assassinate ability's description:AssassinateStarting at 3rd level, you are at your deadliest when youget the drop on your enemies. You have advantage onattack rolls against any creature that hasn’t taken a turnin the combat yet. In addition, any hit you score againsta creature that is surprised is a critical hit.Surprise running until the end of the round actually makes things more&nbsp; complicated for the Assassin because the first part of his&nbsp; ability which grants advantage is already tied to the initiative, so you&nbsp; STILL have to track initiative order to determine advantage before&nbsp; applying the auto-crit or not. If you end surprise with the target's&nbsp; turn, then everything reduces to either advantage + auto-crit if the&nbsp; assassin attacks a surprised target first, or normal attack otherwise.&nbsp; It's simpler.I also disagree that assassinate working against all suprised opponents regardless of initiative &quot;makes the most sense&quot;, as you put it. I think narratively it works just fine ending with the target's turn.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MG.0, post: 6685583, member: 6799436"] I completely disagree, for reasons I've mentioned in this thread [URL]http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?466314-Assassinate[/URL] Running surprise to the end of the round only appears simpler if you disregard the second sentence in the assassinate ability's description: [I]Assassinate Starting at 3rd level, you are at your deadliest when you get the drop on your enemies. You have advantage on attack rolls against any creature that hasn’t taken a turn in the combat yet. In addition, any hit you score against a creature that is surprised is a critical hit.[/I] Surprise running until the end of the round actually makes things more complicated for the Assassin because the first part of his ability which grants advantage is already tied to the initiative, so you STILL have to track initiative order to determine advantage before applying the auto-crit or not. If you end surprise with the target's turn, then everything reduces to either advantage + auto-crit if the assassin attacks a surprised target first, or normal attack otherwise. It's simpler. I also disagree that assassinate working against all suprised opponents regardless of initiative "makes the most sense", as you put it. I think narratively it works just fine ending with the target's turn. [/QUOTE]

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