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<blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 6775567" data-attributes="member: 5143">Yes, that's exactly what I said.&nbsp; The problem is that the DM was rolling for initiative BEFORE combat started.&nbsp; They hadn't yet shot arrows at us.&nbsp; They were about to, but he was waiting for their turn in initiative order to do so.&nbsp; He didn't know how to use surprise properly so we were allowed to take actions during, what should have been a &quot;surprise round&quot; (this was a 3.5e game though, I should note...though the rules are very similar).&nbsp; So, instead we got:&quot;You are in a warehouse.&nbsp; You don't see or hear anything and nothing has happened.&nbsp; Initiative 22.&nbsp; What do you do?&quot;&quot;Uhh...nothing, because there's nothing for me to do.&quot;&quot;Alright, at Initiative 19, an arrow comes out of the darkness and hits you for...10 damage.&nbsp; You see a human hiding behind a crate.&quot;In theory, a &quot;surprise round&quot; or the inability for people to act when they are &quot;surprised&quot; solves this.&nbsp; Because you roll for initiative but then immediately fast forward to the enemies attacks so they go first.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Majoru Oakheart, post: 6775567, member: 5143"] Yes, that's exactly what I said. The problem is that the DM was rolling for initiative BEFORE combat started. They hadn't yet shot arrows at us. They were about to, but he was waiting for their turn in initiative order to do so. He didn't know how to use surprise properly so we were allowed to take actions during, what should have been a "surprise round" (this was a 3.5e game though, I should note...though the rules are very similar). So, instead we got: "You are in a warehouse. You don't see or hear anything and nothing has happened. Initiative 22. What do you do?" "Uhh...nothing, because there's nothing for me to do." "Alright, at Initiative 19, an arrow comes out of the darkness and hits you for...10 damage. You see a human hiding behind a crate." In theory, a "surprise round" or the inability for people to act when they are "surprised" solves this. Because you roll for initiative but then immediately fast forward to the enemies attacks so they go first. [/QUOTE]

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