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<blockquote data-quote="protheus" data-source="post: 141506" data-attributes="member: 616"><p>By thinking of it.</p><p></p><p>Monsters in the MM ,IMO, are usualy part of community so they have learn they way of fighting, knowledge.... in this case there basic bonus.... but take a monster such the gnoll</p><p></p><p>Medium-Size Humanoid (Gnoll) <strong>(ok)</strong> </p><p>Hit Dice: 2d8+2 (11 hp) <strong>(Basic gnoll warrior training)</strong> </p><p>Initiative: +0 <strong>(ok)</strong> </p><p>Speed: 20 ft. (scale mail), base 30 ft. <strong>(ok)</strong> </p><p>AC: 17 (+1 natural, +4 scale, +2 large shield) <strong>(ok)</strong> </p><p>Attacks: Battleaxe +3 melee; or shortbow +1 ranged <strong>(ok)</strong> </p><p>Damage: Battleaxe 1d8+2; or shortbow 1d6 <strong>(ok)</strong> </p><p>Face/Reach: 5 ft. by 5 ft./5 ft. <strong>(Depend)</strong> </p><p>Special Qualities: Darkvision 60 ft. <strong>(ok)</strong> </p><p>Saves: Fort +4, Ref +0, Will +0 <strong>(Depend)</strong> </p><p>Abilities: Str 15, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 8, Wis 11, Cha 8 <strong>(Can be reroll)</strong> </p><p>Skills: Listen +3, Spot +3 <strong>(Can be taken out)</strong> </p><p>Feats: Power Attack <strong>(Racial feat)</strong></p><p></p><p>So here what would like a gnoll with no ECL</p><p></p><p>Medium-Size Humanoid (Gnoll)</p><p>Hit Dice: By Class</p><p>Initiative: +0</p><p>Speed: base 30 ft.</p><p>AC: 11 (+1 natural)</p><p>Attacks: By Weapon</p><p>Damage: By Weapon</p><p>Face/Reach: 5 ft. by 5 ft./5 ft.</p><p>Special Qualities: Darkvision 60 ft.</p><p>Saves: By Class</p><p>Abilities: Str +4, Dex 0, Con +2, Int -2, Wis 0, Cha -2</p><p>Skills: Listen +3, Spot +3 (racial)</p><p>Feats: Power Attack (racial)</p><p></p><p>Would this race would be more powerfull that the human (Bonus feat, bonus skill) or elf (bonus listen, spot, will save)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="protheus, post: 141506, member: 616"] By thinking of it. Monsters in the MM ,IMO, are usualy part of community so they have learn they way of fighting, knowledge.... in this case there basic bonus.... but take a monster such the gnoll Medium-Size Humanoid (Gnoll) [B](ok)[/B] Hit Dice: 2d8+2 (11 hp) [B](Basic gnoll warrior training)[/B] Initiative: +0 [B](ok)[/B] Speed: 20 ft. (scale mail), base 30 ft. [B](ok)[/B] AC: 17 (+1 natural, +4 scale, +2 large shield) [B](ok)[/B] Attacks: Battleaxe +3 melee; or shortbow +1 ranged [B](ok)[/B] Damage: Battleaxe 1d8+2; or shortbow 1d6 [B](ok)[/B] Face/Reach: 5 ft. by 5 ft./5 ft. [B](Depend)[/B] Special Qualities: Darkvision 60 ft. [B](ok)[/B] Saves: Fort +4, Ref +0, Will +0 [B](Depend)[/B] Abilities: Str 15, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 8, Wis 11, Cha 8 [B](Can be reroll)[/B] Skills: Listen +3, Spot +3 [B](Can be taken out)[/B] Feats: Power Attack [B](Racial feat)[/B] So here what would like a gnoll with no ECL Medium-Size Humanoid (Gnoll) Hit Dice: By Class Initiative: +0 Speed: base 30 ft. AC: 11 (+1 natural) Attacks: By Weapon Damage: By Weapon Face/Reach: 5 ft. by 5 ft./5 ft. Special Qualities: Darkvision 60 ft. Saves: By Class Abilities: Str +4, Dex 0, Con +2, Int -2, Wis 0, Cha -2 Skills: Listen +3, Spot +3 (racial) Feats: Power Attack (racial) Would this race would be more powerfull that the human (Bonus feat, bonus skill) or elf (bonus listen, spot, will save) [/QUOTE]
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