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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 4985761" data-attributes="member: 8158">Perhaps, but most folks would tend to think it's harder to notice someone who's invisible (by the bits of dust he kicks up or little noises he makes) than it is to notice someone who's crouching between two bushes (because look, there's foot) or just standing in the shade (hey, there's a face!). To put it another way, the level of concealment should impact the detectability, not just the chance to hit them with an attack. I guess one issue there is that 4e doesn't distinguish between noticing a creature's presence and pinpointing its location.Another is that they may not have wanted to stack stealth bonuses from invisibility with the perception penalty from being blinded.</blockquote>