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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5888624" data-attributes="member: 35909">I was talking about core elf. Some of the subraces that boost int are worthy as wizards, of course.  But the game talks up about the core elf being a good wizard, and that's total bs, they SUUUUUUUUUCK at it!  And the weapon proficiencies don't mean squat, at best you're going to have 10 strength so the swords are useless and you'd rather use the crossbow than a bow anyway.How is dwarf better than core elf for wizard?  It boosts a more important (2nd most) stat, and it hits a dump stat.  Elf boosts the 3rd most important stat and hurts the 2nd most important one.  Elf has some skill bonuses and low-light and a bunch of completely worthless other features.  Dwarf has darkvision (better than low-light), +2 on 90% of the saves you'll ever make, and a whole slew of other situationally useful, but actually useful in those situations, abilities. The speed doesn't matter b/c eventually you'll be flying anyway, though the never reducing speed for armor or encumbrance WILL help maintain that Fly speed.It mostly just boils down to +dex, -con being a net loss, though.  That alone makes every core race except half-orc a better wizard.</blockquote>