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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kae'Yoss" data-source="post: 3565054" data-attributes="member: 4134">That's extreme. Is he even having fun? Is he one of those guys who watches TV and play video games and reads books at the table, only occasionally doing something in the actual game?Either you're one of the most brutal DMs out there, or he doesn't learn and doesn't even bother.  Option 1 could work, but I always think that the DM should do more than that, such a "love it of leave it" attitude doesn't help.Option 2 sounds right. Get them to understand the basics of the game, a tactical crash course, so to speak.Option 3 will only postpone the problem (not that playing something else isn't a good idea), but you could use that to train the tactical side: Play some tactical stuff, ideally DDM (since it has mostly the same rules as D&D combat, but is competitive and somewhat more tactical)Option 4 will probably not work out, either: They seem unwilling or unable to learn the basics of combat as they apply to their character. I doubt that they will start pouring time and effort into the game to manage running a whole game including several combatants.Option 5 doesn't sound like a solution. It's basically throwing people out of the game. If you don't like the way they play (or don't play), talk to them or uninvite them outright (I recommend talking to them)What I'd do:First of all: Talk to them. Find out what they like about the game, what they don't like. If it turns out that they don't like fighting at all, they probably have the wrong game, and my advice is to try to get a Vampire game running.If it turns out that they just don't like all the difficult tactical decisions, you might want to make the fights a bit easier, tactically. But if it turns out that they just can't be bothered to learn the rules and implications, try to make them learn it, for without that, you can't play the game, or become a huge burden while wasting your own time (and likely that of others)As I said, try to encourage tactical behaviour and learning the rules. You could do this by playing some DDM, or just some arena type competitions between characters - everyone gets a character or two and then they fight each other or NPTs played by you. After each fight, analyse the tactics employed. Don't overdo that, though - one tactic at a time.Show them how much more fun the game can be if you put some thought into it. How much easier combat can be.And then, when you're back at the gaming table: Start low and slow. Easy stuff first, and slowly introduce new tactical and rules elements (either in that arena or in a tutorial game)</blockquote>

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