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<blockquote data-quote="Old Gumphrey" data-source="post: 3583002" data-attributes="member: 12872">I agree with this 100%. You know they suck at tactics, they're all mixed levels, they have no burst spell power due to the recharge variant, and you're throwing combat monster CR 8 outsiders at them? Outsiders are already more-challenge-for-your-buck-for-their-CR-number. I don't understand the &quot;why are my players so stupid&quot; line that is so often given by DMs. I'm roughly 5 times better than any of my players at building characters and using tactics. I've done things like get half-wipes with an equivalent CR encounter just because I use every sneaky tactic in the book and play to the party's weakness. And that's what you have to be careful of--you know all their strengths and weaknesses. You seem to have an imagined idea that your party is strong and they should be able to handle this really hard encounter, but truthfully (as was shown) they didn't stand a chance. Honestly it sounds like you just want to feel superior to them...I mean you call them stupid, and then throw really hard challenges at them when its obvious they can't handle something weaker than your current encounter. I wouldn't be surprised if you sigh loudly when players don't perform smart tactics that you thought of, and gripe about how badly they are playing. I used to have a DM just like that.Used to.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Old Gumphrey, post: 3583002, member: 12872"] I agree with this 100%. You know they suck at tactics, they're all mixed levels, they have no burst spell power due to the recharge variant, and you're throwing combat monster CR 8 outsiders at them? Outsiders are already more-challenge-for-your-buck-for-their-CR-number. I don't understand the "why are my players so stupid" line that is so often given by DMs. I'm roughly 5 times better than any of my players at building characters and using tactics. I've done things like get half-wipes with an equivalent CR encounter just because I use every sneaky tactic in the book and play to the party's weakness. And that's what you have to be careful of--you know all their strengths and weaknesses. You seem to have an imagined idea that your party is strong and they should be able to handle this really hard encounter, but truthfully (as was shown) they didn't stand a chance. Honestly it sounds like you just want to feel superior to them...I mean you call them stupid, and then throw really hard challenges at them when its obvious they can't handle something weaker than your current encounter. I wouldn't be surprised if you sigh loudly when players don't perform smart tactics that you thought of, and gripe about how badly they are playing. I used to have a DM just like that. Used to. [/QUOTE]

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