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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Zardoz" data-source="post: 4132770" data-attributes="member: 704">This is why I hate Dm FiatI think I would side with the Bard character on this one.You did not use outright DM Fiat regarding the Bard failing to influence the cleric, and you did only use modifiers.&nbsp; But it sounds like you had very nearly decided the result of the players effort in advance.&nbsp; And there is a difference between say, a +3 or +4 modifier for racist hostility, and say a +8.The Bard player had built his character towards being effective in that purpose, but the cleric manages to do better simply because doing so reinforces your sense of verisimilitude within the game.&nbsp; He has a right to be pissed about it.Now, it does sound like his reactions are poorly chosen.&nbsp; If he is angry about how you rule the situation, he is in his rights to say his bit, and ask you to alter the game to account for it, or threaten to take a walk.&nbsp; You do not have to concede, but he has the right to at least get you to reconsider your use of those modifiers.I would say if your not willing to accommodate in regards to the modifiers, then you should let him walk.END COMMUNICATION</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lord Zardoz, post: 4132770, member: 704"] [b]This is why I hate Dm Fiat[/b] I think I would side with the Bard character on this one. You did not use outright DM Fiat regarding the Bard failing to influence the cleric, and you did only use modifiers. But it sounds like you had very nearly decided the result of the players effort in advance. And there is a difference between say, a +3 or +4 modifier for racist hostility, and say a +8. The Bard player had built his character towards being effective in that purpose, but the cleric manages to do better simply because doing so reinforces your sense of verisimilitude within the game. He has a right to be pissed about it. Now, it does sound like his reactions are poorly chosen. If he is angry about how you rule the situation, he is in his rights to say his bit, and ask you to alter the game to account for it, or threaten to take a walk. You do not have to concede, but he has the right to at least get you to reconsider your use of those modifiers. I would say if your not willing to accommodate in regards to the modifiers, then you should let him walk. END COMMUNICATION [/QUOTE]

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