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<blockquote data-quote="Zustiur" data-source="post: 4802100" data-attributes="member: 1544"><p>Well at the risk of contradicting things I've said in the past...</p><p>I actually find I'm beginning to like 4E. It is a good game, perseverance was one of the key factors - I had to play it for months before I started to actually enjoy it. That said, there are some things that must be kept in mind with any group disagreement over systems. </p><p></p><p>1) Not enjoying a game does not mean that whole system is bad.</p><p>2) Lack-of-familiarity breeds contempt</p><p>3) Game style counts for a lot.</p><p></p><p>1 and 2 should be self explanatory. I will expand on 3:</p><p></p><p>4E is an interesting, tactical, RPG. It's a game with a lot of nuances that stem from all the options you're presented. It is a good game, and much fun can be had with it. However, for a seemingly great number of people, it doesn't scratch the D&D itch properly. Whatever the individual's reason, there is something about 4E that doesn't quite 'fit'.</p><p></p><p>For me that means I roll my eyes at the names of powers, and the effects thereof. I grit my teeth when I hear the same combat moves over and over. But once I ignore those factors, I have fun. Obviously other people's feelings differ, but I'm finding that 4E satisfies a weird mixture of my Warhammer 40,000 itch and my D&D itch. It provides the tactical interest and army (power) selection interest of 40k, while providing much of the role-playing interest of D&D.</p><p></p><p>At the same time, it doesn't satisfy my passions in other ways - I don't paint D&D minis, I don't get to roll a tonne of dice to wipe my opponent off the board, and I don't get the same satisfaction about cutting down orcs or casting spells. I still have fun, it's just a new kind of fun. It's almost like a new hobby. Perhaps someday I'll have 3 interests, instead of 2.</p><p></p><p>And at the risk of sounding like I'm flaming - the one gripe with 4E that I just haven't been able to overcome yet - rules ambiguity. If only they were written more clearly! I'm <strong>so</strong> sick of being caught out because my DM's interpretation of the rules doesn't match my own.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zustiur, post: 4802100, member: 1544"] Well at the risk of contradicting things I've said in the past... I actually find I'm beginning to like 4E. It is a good game, perseverance was one of the key factors - I had to play it for months before I started to actually enjoy it. That said, there are some things that must be kept in mind with any group disagreement over systems. 1) Not enjoying a game does not mean that whole system is bad. 2) Lack-of-familiarity breeds contempt 3) Game style counts for a lot. 1 and 2 should be self explanatory. I will expand on 3: 4E is an interesting, tactical, RPG. It's a game with a lot of nuances that stem from all the options you're presented. It is a good game, and much fun can be had with it. However, for a seemingly great number of people, it doesn't scratch the D&D itch properly. Whatever the individual's reason, there is something about 4E that doesn't quite 'fit'. For me that means I roll my eyes at the names of powers, and the effects thereof. I grit my teeth when I hear the same combat moves over and over. But once I ignore those factors, I have fun. Obviously other people's feelings differ, but I'm finding that 4E satisfies a weird mixture of my Warhammer 40,000 itch and my D&D itch. It provides the tactical interest and army (power) selection interest of 40k, while providing much of the role-playing interest of D&D. At the same time, it doesn't satisfy my passions in other ways - I don't paint D&D minis, I don't get to roll a tonne of dice to wipe my opponent off the board, and I don't get the same satisfaction about cutting down orcs or casting spells. I still have fun, it's just a new kind of fun. It's almost like a new hobby. Perhaps someday I'll have 3 interests, instead of 2. And at the risk of sounding like I'm flaming - the one gripe with 4E that I just haven't been able to overcome yet - rules ambiguity. If only they were written more clearly! I'm [B]so[/B] sick of being caught out because my DM's interpretation of the rules doesn't match my own. [/QUOTE]
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