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Message: <blockquote data-quote="overgeeked" data-source="post: 8565209" data-attributes="member: 86653">That assumes the monsters must chase them. That's simply not true. The DM can always have the monsters not chase the PCs. Just as the DM can always have the monsters not kill the PCs. If it makes sense for the monster to do those things, do them.As long as there's an exit, it's viable. Surrender is also always an option.So not a TPK, then. Got it.An infinite variety. One of which is both killing the party and continuing to use those characters. There's a lich. It has raise dead. There is an underworld, many of them more than likely. Death might want something. Like maybe the pesky necromancer lich to stop taking all these people out of the underworld. Having death be the end is simply not using the fantasy milieu to its fullest.One simply doesn't follow from the other. The DM can have the stats of the monsters and use them. The PCs have their in-character and in-game knowledge of the situation. The fun is seeing what happens next. I don't need to know ahead of time that the party has a 37.9% chance of victory before they engage with a fight.Sure.Patently false.The situation the OP is describing is obvious. If the PCs decide to last stand that fight, it's on them.Agreed. I never said otherwise.Literally anywhere the deadly fight is not. You know, away.You mean the opponents that the DM controls? Yeah, hint: the DM controls them. Not following the PCs is absolutely a viable option.And no one's claiming otherwise.Likewise, a certainty of success and everlasting life...why even bother?Even if it's reduced to the binary options of success or failure, you still have both as possibilities. I mean, I don't know what to do if someone cannot comprehend that failure is a possibility. I agree that with a lot of modern players, especially ones in my games, you have to literally explain to them that failure is a possibility. I'd somewhat naively hoped it was limited to my table. Clearly not.</blockquote>

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