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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5335197" data-attributes="member: 71571">I don't understand how it seems logical at all.Hit: If the attack roll is higher than or equal to thedefense score, the attack hits and deals damage, has a special effect, or both.The logic follows:If you hit, you made an attack roll that beat their defense.thereforeYou made an attack rollthereforeIf you hit, it implies you made an attack rollthereforeif you did not make an attack roll, it implies you did not hit.What you are describing is intuition.&nbsp; It seems intuitive that if you attack with a magic missile, you hit the target.&nbsp; I don't disagree, that is intuitive.Intuition, however, is not logic.Mark of Storms doesn't care what sort of damage is dealt.&nbsp; It cares if the power is a thunder power, and if you hit with it.Many thunder powers have effects that do not deal thunder damage, but the mark of storms will have the exact same effect.Howl of Fury, for example.&nbsp; Barbarian At-Wil, Thunder keyword.&nbsp; When it hits, it deals 1[W] + Strength mod damage.&nbsp; Not thunder damage, untyped.&nbsp; The thunder damage only occurs after, when you deal your Con mod in damage in a blast.Mark of Storms checks... is this a thunder power?&nbsp; Yes.&nbsp; Did you hit with it?&nbsp; Yes.&nbsp; The enemy you hit gets the push.&nbsp; Those others caught in the blast?&nbsp; You never hit them, because hit is a specific defined thing.Is intuitive.&nbsp; It is not logic.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 5335197, member: 71571"] I don't understand how it seems logical at all. Hit: If the attack roll is higher than or equal to thedefense score, the attack hits and deals damage, has a special effect, or both. The logic follows: If you hit, you made an attack roll that beat their defense. therefore You made an attack roll therefore If you hit, it implies you made an attack roll therefore if you did not make an attack roll, it implies you did not hit. What you are describing is intuition. It seems [b]intuitive[/b] that if you attack with a magic missile, you hit the target. I don't disagree, that [I]is[/I] intuitive. Intuition, however, is not logic. Mark of Storms doesn't care what sort of damage is dealt. It cares if the power is a thunder power, and if you hit with it. Many thunder powers have effects that do not deal thunder damage, but the mark of storms will have the exact same effect. Howl of Fury, for example. Barbarian At-Wil, Thunder keyword. When it hits, it deals 1[W] + Strength mod damage. Not thunder damage, untyped. The thunder damage only occurs after, when you deal your Con mod in damage in a blast. Mark of Storms checks... is this a thunder power? Yes. Did you hit with it? Yes. The enemy you hit gets the push. Those others caught in the blast? You never hit them, because hit is a specific defined thing. Is intuitive. It is not logic. [/QUOTE]

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