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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dykstrav" data-source="post: 3192461" data-attributes="member: 40522">Yeah, you're right. Check out the 1E Monster Manual II, they have at least the planetar as I recall, and I believe the solar as well. The 1E Manual of the Planes also discussed how good critters fit into the core cosmology. In 3E, angels are a subtype of good outsiders.Of course, the official WotC treatment (so far) on angels and such like is best represented by Book of Exalted Deeds.The 2E "celestial/baatezu/tanar'ri" thing was one of the dumbest things TSR ever did in my opinion. In the 80's, D&D was accused of being a front for occult indoctrination and devil-worship (among other things) because it had demons, devils, dragons, pagan gods, magic and the like. So in an effort to appease people who believed this (who didn't play D&D, nor did anyone who cared about what such people thought), they tried to tone down 2E. Bluntly open references to demons and the like were quietly sanitized, the planes were renamed (Baator instead of the Nine Hells, Grey Wastes instead of Hades, et cetera), and the overall game was kinda designed with a 'PG-13' tone in mind. Of course, most of the serious gamers ignored this stuff and continued to call demons demons. 3E retconned this by explaining that baatezu and tanar'ri were types of devils and demons and combining the old and new plane names ("Nine Descending Hells of Baator," for example). But the renamed planes have seemed to stick in some places. We still have Carceri instead of Tartarus and Arbora instead of Olympus, for example.</blockquote>

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