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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RenleyRenfield" data-source="post: 9846310" data-attributes="member: 7044197">Ohh this is near and dear to my heart!  I heard someone describe two similar games, same core system, yet why one came across as "complex" and one came across as "overwhelmingly complex" I think at this point in my RPG book, that the core rules need to be 'competent', and no more.  They need to do what it takes to make the core  gameplay feel right and make anything built on top re-use that same clear mechanic.  So they may be simple, but if they are too simple, then every darn thing in the game needs a sub-system = too complex!  If the core rules are bonkers complex, then the game will prevent a lot of players from every really engaging in it = too complex!  Everything else needs to be not-needed and not chosen by the play at character creation. - Then sub-systems like rituals, crafting, summoning, etc = can "be there where the player is ready".  Give the player time to get used to the game before we dump 20 spells + 10 combat maneuvers + 10 different gear configs, etc etc , on them....Players don't need to spend 3 hours perusing the rules for Crafting when it will be a dozen game sessions or more before Crafting is relevant.  And if they DO need it game one, and it comes up often, then its better to be a simple rule and short.  (again, if the core mechanic is competent, then its easier to make an 'advanced crafting' they can dig into later.)</blockquote>

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