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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tigris" data-source="post: 9849059" data-attributes="member: 7043270">There are tons of games only created by GMs and they work 13th age as one recent example. Saying players cant design a game, is really just elitism.Boardgames are way better in gamedesign than RPGs overall and they are designed by players. And no a GM who also plays is not a player, they still have way too often the GM mindset. I really dont think that people who GM regularily can think from the players POV, it always feels more like "what do I think my players should want to do" point of view.GMs who play as players are always the most annoying players for non GM players because they cather to much for the fun of the GM and at the same time try to grab the attention all the time because they are used to having more attention when they are GMing themselves.We have a problem with not having enough GMs, and part of this problem is that games are designed by GMs and not by typical players, because GMing is always similar. I would never want to GM, because the way most games are designed for GMs to be god and I really dont like this kind of elitism and dont want myself to be associated with it in any form.In the game I am designing (as a pure player), the GM is just a regular player like any other as well, not an "elite".</blockquote>