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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 4297208" data-attributes="member: 158">Here's the problem for me -- all those buffs and debuffs flying around, recalculating ACs, Saving throws, hit point totals, attack bonuses, damage -- and you actually want to have time to PLAY the game, too? I wouldn't mind the buffing and debuffing, IF it didn't affect so many statistics at once. But the higher level the combat, the more you have to play with the stats, independent of actually running a combat.In the end, a win or loss can be decided by the -1 CON and according hit points the DM forgot to remove because of one extra hit by a weapon of wounding; then the players feel cheated because the DM flubbed a calculation. I don't mind simple addition and subtraction; I do mind having to keep track of a dozen recalculated stats for each monster on the board, and I've been in combats at higher levels (above 15) where I'm not exaggerating. I'll miss my Spell Slots in 4E, but I won't miss the ability buff spells, dispel magics, and ability damages from 3E. I've been toying with including a condition track a la Star Wars Saga Edition in 4E for persistent conditions, because it's a good way to handle such without a bunch of side calculations.</blockquote>