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<blockquote data-quote="Spatula" data-source="post: 4306536" data-attributes="member: 2198">I'm not sure what game you've been playing all these years.A 1e/2e thief's THAC0 improves with levels, and he can deal a lot of damage with backstabs.&nbsp; Doesn't sound like someone who never learned to fight, to me.A 3e rogue's BAB improves with levels, and he can deal a lot of damage with sneak attacks.&nbsp; Doesn't sound like somene who never learned to fight, to me.So by &quot;supported&quot; you mean &quot;I ignored all the class' combat abilities.&quot;&nbsp; Which you can still do in 4e, can you not?&nbsp; What you do outside of combat is largely the province of skill, feats, and roleplaying.&nbsp; Which is exactly how it was in 3e, too.&nbsp; I'm not seeing much of a difference, myself.The 3e rogue is just as much as a striker as the 4e rogue, whether you made use of the striker abilities or not.&nbsp; The roles have always been there, although they always haven't been implemented well (namely meatshields, i.e. defenders).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Spatula, post: 4306536, member: 2198"] I'm not sure what game you've been playing all these years. A 1e/2e thief's THAC0 improves with levels, and he can deal a lot of damage with backstabs. Doesn't sound like someone who never learned to fight, to me. A 3e rogue's BAB improves with levels, and he can deal a lot of damage with sneak attacks. Doesn't sound like somene who never learned to fight, to me. So by "supported" you mean "I ignored all the class' combat abilities." Which you can still do in 4e, can you not? What you do outside of combat is largely the province of skill, feats, and roleplaying. Which is exactly how it was in 3e, too. I'm not seeing much of a difference, myself. The 3e rogue is just as much as a striker as the 4e rogue, whether you made use of the striker abilities or not. The roles have always been there, although they always haven't been implemented well (namely meatshields, i.e. defenders). [/QUOTE]

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