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<blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 8840281" data-attributes="member: 6677017"><p>5e actually says a god can have different power levels in different worlds. It also described lesser deities, greater deities, and demigods, as way more fundamentally different from each other than previous editions (in the DMG at least--I'm not sure later products really backed that up).</p><p></p><p>It drives me crazy because I can't make sense of it. In D&D gods have always been people/creatures who actually live somewhere. They have a divine realm. They can meet each other for a drink or whatever.</p><p></p><p>What power level are they at home? That's their true power level. And since there is no longer any difference in what spell levels their followers have access to (etc), I can't see how they would even have an effectively different rank regarding their interactions with a particular world. And greater or lesser is not necessarily an in-character designation used for mortals. The closest you can get is to say they are more or less commonly worshipped on different worlds, which is <em>not</em> what the DMG is claiming. The DMG is claiming (as a plausible example) that a single deity is known as Tiamat on most worlds and is a lesser deity embodied in a particular place, while on Krynn she is known as Takhisis, and rather than being limited to a particular body is "beyond mortal comprehension". </p><p></p><p>Well, which in the Nine Hells is it? What is going on in her divine realm or realms? When she shows up at gathering, what's her power level? And the same can be asked of Asmodeus? If he isn't a god in Baator, how is he supposed to be one in the Forgotten Realms, where he doesn't even live. Does he gain even more phenomenal power if he happens to pop through a portal to Toril, and then just forget it whenever he goes home? Except, once through that portal he apparently is beyond the limitations of a single mortal form and so never actually goes home.</p><p></p><p>It drives me crazy because it apparently wasn't thought through (nor was the complete redefinition of demigods, which conflicts with past D&D as well as every presentation in 5e other than the DMG).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sword of Spirit, post: 8840281, member: 6677017"] 5e actually says a god can have different power levels in different worlds. It also described lesser deities, greater deities, and demigods, as way more fundamentally different from each other than previous editions (in the DMG at least--I'm not sure later products really backed that up). It drives me crazy because I can't make sense of it. In D&D gods have always been people/creatures who actually live somewhere. They have a divine realm. They can meet each other for a drink or whatever. What power level are they at home? That's their true power level. And since there is no longer any difference in what spell levels their followers have access to (etc), I can't see how they would even have an effectively different rank regarding their interactions with a particular world. And greater or lesser is not necessarily an in-character designation used for mortals. The closest you can get is to say they are more or less commonly worshipped on different worlds, which is [I]not[/I] what the DMG is claiming. The DMG is claiming (as a plausible example) that a single deity is known as Tiamat on most worlds and is a lesser deity embodied in a particular place, while on Krynn she is known as Takhisis, and rather than being limited to a particular body is "beyond mortal comprehension". Well, which in the Nine Hells is it? What is going on in her divine realm or realms? When she shows up at gathering, what's her power level? And the same can be asked of Asmodeus? If he isn't a god in Baator, how is he supposed to be one in the Forgotten Realms, where he doesn't even live. Does he gain even more phenomenal power if he happens to pop through a portal to Toril, and then just forget it whenever he goes home? Except, once through that portal he apparently is beyond the limitations of a single mortal form and so never actually goes home. It drives me crazy because it apparently wasn't thought through (nor was the complete redefinition of demigods, which conflicts with past D&D as well as every presentation in 5e other than the DMG). [/QUOTE]
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