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Where do fiends come from? (Cosmology)
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<blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 2410105" data-attributes="member: 20323"><p>I never was a big fan of the fiends/angels as presented in D&D. Too many special abilities to keep track of. That said, if you are going to use the ones in the monstrous manual, you might want to match them according to CR. For example, here's a comparison between an Astral deva (CR 14), a Nalfeshness (CR 14) and Gelugon (CR 13). The approach I've taken is very much Ebberon-esque, that is, designing the story up from the rules. In this case, I had the Astral deva (good) fall and become Nalfeshnee (CE). You certainly could change this around any way you wanted - this is just an example. </p><p></p><p><strong>The First Sundering: Astral Devas Fall and Become Nalfeshnee</strong></p><p>During the first sundering, the astral devas became masters of battle, tempering their newly constructed blades against each other. When the astral devas loyal to the Dark One were routed, and the war ended, only then did the full extend of the astral deva's savagery become apparent. They committed terrible atrocities against one another. Indeed, the Celestial Host thought to ban them all from heaven, though the good-aligned devas recanted their ways and swore off savagery. The fallen devas too were disgused at their own capacity for savagery, but would not repent. When the fallen were cast from heaven, the celestial host ruled that as their appetite for bloodshed and power increased, so too would they grow bloated and fat even as their wings, their metaphorical connection to heaven, became stunted and shriveled. Though they were deformed the fallen deva also became stronger, smarter, and wiser. They learned to survive outside of heaven's pearly gates. They called themselves the nalfeshnee (meaning "great in stature" in Celestial/Infernal), taking pride in their curse. The nalfeshnee became famous for their ability to project the battles they had fought onto the minds of those around them (their <strong>smite</strong> ability). If they would suffer from the memories that haunted them of the first sundering, then so would everyone around them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Quickleaf, post: 2410105, member: 20323"] I never was a big fan of the fiends/angels as presented in D&D. Too many special abilities to keep track of. That said, if you are going to use the ones in the monstrous manual, you might want to match them according to CR. For example, here's a comparison between an Astral deva (CR 14), a Nalfeshness (CR 14) and Gelugon (CR 13). The approach I've taken is very much Ebberon-esque, that is, designing the story up from the rules. In this case, I had the Astral deva (good) fall and become Nalfeshnee (CE). You certainly could change this around any way you wanted - this is just an example. [b]The First Sundering: Astral Devas Fall and Become Nalfeshnee[/b] During the first sundering, the astral devas became masters of battle, tempering their newly constructed blades against each other. When the astral devas loyal to the Dark One were routed, and the war ended, only then did the full extend of the astral deva's savagery become apparent. They committed terrible atrocities against one another. Indeed, the Celestial Host thought to ban them all from heaven, though the good-aligned devas recanted their ways and swore off savagery. The fallen devas too were disgused at their own capacity for savagery, but would not repent. When the fallen were cast from heaven, the celestial host ruled that as their appetite for bloodshed and power increased, so too would they grow bloated and fat even as their wings, their metaphorical connection to heaven, became stunted and shriveled. Though they were deformed the fallen deva also became stronger, smarter, and wiser. They learned to survive outside of heaven's pearly gates. They called themselves the nalfeshnee (meaning "great in stature" in Celestial/Infernal), taking pride in their curse. The nalfeshnee became famous for their ability to project the battles they had fought onto the minds of those around them (their [b]smite[/b] ability). If they would suffer from the memories that haunted them of the first sundering, then so would everyone around them. [/QUOTE]
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