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<blockquote data-quote="Humanophile" data-source="post: 112455" data-attributes="member: 1049"><p>True, but with several very important caveats. First, there's a huge difference between sitting at a table with the agreement that one character will be stronger than the others, and coming to the table expecting balance and seeing someone come in much more powerful than you. Most gamers do expect balance and like power, and if you and every gamer you know somehow automatically gains wonderous roleplaying skills and maturity, I'd love to meet your group. I think playing a great wyrm gold dragon in a first level party would be a very interesting and challenging roleplaying scenario, don't you agree?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, I can just see it now...</p><p>"Sorry Jim, but I get the +5 sword because you're a half dragon, and we need that to be balanced." Doing what you're doing just pushes the need for a strongarm balance somewhere else, and god forbid the party thinks "Y'know Jim, since you're the best fighter, maybe you should be using this sword", or even that Jim the half-red decides to act in character and threaten/kill to get the sword. I mean why wouldn't he, it's realistic and in-character.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So in other words, he's more powerful, so the DM has to work harder to create balanced parties and challenges that deal with an uneven power curve. Super. So while I'm enjoying the challenge of playing my great wyrm gold dragon in your first level, ECL+ 0 party, you'll have to think why that tarrasque would be hanging out with a 6 person orcish warband.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Humanophile, post: 112455, member: 1049"] True, but with several very important caveats. First, there's a huge difference between sitting at a table with the agreement that one character will be stronger than the others, and coming to the table expecting balance and seeing someone come in much more powerful than you. Most gamers do expect balance and like power, and if you and every gamer you know somehow automatically gains wonderous roleplaying skills and maturity, I'd love to meet your group. I think playing a great wyrm gold dragon in a first level party would be a very interesting and challenging roleplaying scenario, don't you agree? Yeah, I can just see it now... "Sorry Jim, but I get the +5 sword because you're a half dragon, and we need that to be balanced." Doing what you're doing just pushes the need for a strongarm balance somewhere else, and god forbid the party thinks "Y'know Jim, since you're the best fighter, maybe you should be using this sword", or even that Jim the half-red decides to act in character and threaten/kill to get the sword. I mean why wouldn't he, it's realistic and in-character. So in other words, he's more powerful, so the DM has to work harder to create balanced parties and challenges that deal with an uneven power curve. Super. So while I'm enjoying the challenge of playing my great wyrm gold dragon in your first level, ECL+ 0 party, you'll have to think why that tarrasque would be hanging out with a 6 person orcish warband. [/QUOTE]
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