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<blockquote data-quote="smbakeresq" data-source="post: 7065088" data-attributes="member: 28301">First off the problem of min maxing came in with the point buy system, it encourages those things.&nbsp;&nbsp; We use the old method, 4d6 drop lowest.&nbsp; You can get some good scores and some bad ones also, but you are sort of stuck with what you get unless the rolls are so off the DM won't approve it.&nbsp; Point buy does nothing for the game but encourage min/max of scores line you have done.Second, after that, optimizing you character to be good at what he does is fine.&nbsp; So is branching off into something for character development.&nbsp;&nbsp; Your PC is a fictional person,&nbsp; not a unit with numbers on it like a wargame.&nbsp; Play your PC as a person and no DM will complain.Third, if you want to hear complaints about optimization and min/maxing try doing it to the players as a DM.&nbsp; Those same optimizers will cry foul when the storm giant uses great weapon mastery feat against them,&nbsp; or the four-armed, dual large-sized long bow wielding demon using sharpshooter feat.&nbsp; Or how about a trap, where green slime popes through little holes in the ceiling, showing them with green slime, then runs out through holes in the floor, leaving nothing to be resurrected?&nbsp; Or even something as simple as the giant options in SKT?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="smbakeresq, post: 7065088, member: 28301"] First off the problem of min maxing came in with the point buy system, it encourages those things. We use the old method, 4d6 drop lowest. You can get some good scores and some bad ones also, but you are sort of stuck with what you get unless the rolls are so off the DM won't approve it. Point buy does nothing for the game but encourage min/max of scores line you have done. Second, after that, optimizing you character to be good at what he does is fine. So is branching off into something for character development. Your PC is a fictional person, not a unit with numbers on it like a wargame. Play your PC as a person and no DM will complain. Third, if you want to hear complaints about optimization and min/maxing try doing it to the players as a DM. Those same optimizers will cry foul when the storm giant uses great weapon mastery feat against them, or the four-armed, dual large-sized long bow wielding demon using sharpshooter feat. Or how about a trap, where green slime popes through little holes in the ceiling, showing them with green slime, then runs out through holes in the floor, leaving nothing to be resurrected? Or even something as simple as the giant options in SKT? [/QUOTE]

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