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<blockquote data-quote="Caliban" data-source="post: 7065142" data-attributes="member: 284">And rolling for ability scores (especially with 4d6 drop the lowest) just encourages rampant cheating with ability scores.&nbsp;&nbsp; See?&nbsp; I too can make completely biased and unsubstantiated claims about stuff I don't like.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Point buy puts everyone on a level playing field - you get to decide how competent you want your character to be, not the dice.&nbsp;&nbsp; You can decide if you want to play the clumsy wizard, the dumb fighter, or the foolish rogue.&nbsp;&nbsp; Or go for something interesting and unique - the choice is yours.&nbsp;&nbsp; Saying it does &quot;nothing but encourage mi/max of ability scores&quot; is pure foolishness.Actually, it's both.&nbsp; Strange how some people have trouble grasping this simple concept. And this is just flat out false.&nbsp; Maybe your players cry about stuff like this, but it has nothing to with whether they min/max or not.&nbsp;&nbsp; Some players are going to complain anytime the DM pulls out something weird that almost gets them killed.&nbsp; &nbsp; Some just enjoy the challenge.&nbsp;&nbsp; It has to do with player expectations about the game, not their characters.&nbsp; Personally, I've noticed that a table of players with optimized characters tend to enjoy it when the DM ramps up the challenge with the monsters.&nbsp; If your players are complaining about the shenanigans you pull with your monsters,&nbsp; you may have to ask yourself - were you &quot;optimizing the monsters&quot; or just being a jerk?&nbsp; &nbsp; There's a fine line between challenging the players with something new and being petty because they curb stomped the main villain in your last session.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Caliban, post: 7065142, member: 284"] And rolling for ability scores (especially with 4d6 drop the lowest) just encourages rampant cheating with ability scores. See? I too can make completely biased and unsubstantiated claims about stuff I don't like. :) Point buy puts everyone on a level playing field - you get to decide how competent you want your character to be, not the dice. You can decide if you want to play the clumsy wizard, the dumb fighter, or the foolish rogue. Or go for something interesting and unique - the choice is yours. Saying it does "nothing but encourage mi/max of ability scores" is pure foolishness. Actually, it's both. Strange how some people have trouble grasping this simple concept. And this is just flat out false. Maybe your players cry about stuff like this, but it has nothing to with whether they min/max or not. Some players are going to complain anytime the DM pulls out something weird that almost gets them killed. Some just enjoy the challenge. It has to do with player expectations about the game, not their characters. Personally, I've noticed that a table of players with optimized characters tend to enjoy it when the DM ramps up the challenge with the monsters. If your players are complaining about the shenanigans you pull with your monsters, you may have to ask yourself - were you "optimizing the monsters" or just being a jerk? There's a fine line between challenging the players with something new and being petty because they curb stomped the main villain in your last session. [/QUOTE]

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